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NOTICE: 2015 CCR Annual Water Quality Report are available at City Hall located at 102 Railroad Street.

Water bills are due on the 15th of each month, a late penalty of $5.00 applies after the 15th, Termination date is the 28th of the current month, bills will need to be paid prior to the 28th, Reconnect fee is $35.00 and is applied to terminated accounts for non-payment. Bill will have to be paid in full to have water restored.

The city of McIntyre strives to offer its citizens the highest quality of service and a safe water system.

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Council meetings are the 1st and 3rd Monday of each month, beginning at 5:00PM, If you would like to be placed on the Agenda for topics, you must call City Hall at 478-946-2037 prior to the meeting date.

Municipal Court is held the 1st Tuesday of each month at 5:00pm. Ralph Jackson is the honorable Judge, and any discussions pertaining to the court date will need to be discussed either with the Clerk of Court Pamela Roberts at 478-946-2037, or Chief Wayne Amerson at 478-946-3483.

May Day Festival is May 6th, 2017 beginning at 10am. For More information please contact Linda Sanders at 478-946-2037. Applications are also available on the website. T-Shirts are pre-order only this year. Children to XL are $10.00, 1X and up are $13.00.

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November 20, 2017 Minutes

City of McIntyre

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Mayor Horne called meeting to order at 5:12pm, led in prayer by Council member Eugene Moore.

 

Present were: Mayor Vicki Horne, Council members Eugene Moore, Katherine Scott, Deborah Osborne, Ahmad Thorpe, Council member Rico Myrick was absent, also present were City Attorney David McRee and City Clerk Pamela Roberts, Chief Amerson was not present.

 

Motion to approve the minutes from the November 6, 2017 meeting was made by Thorpe seconded by Scott, no opposition, motion carried.

 

 

Agenda Presented no New or Old Business.

 

 

Reports:

 

Moore reported that BASF was putting in a car wash on Dedrick Road and wanted the city to install a driveway using 2 10” 30’ plastic pipe. Moore said that he would rather give BASF an easement and let them do the work themselves, noting that BASF could do it a lot easier than the city could. Moore said that he has not spoken with anyone at BASF yet, Osborne asked why on Dedrick Road, Moore said that it was BASF property and next to an existing well that was already on the property and a pond they can drain it in. Osborne asked what kind of car wash would it be, Moore said a drive through like the one in Gordon. Mayor Horne asked who Moore was communicating with, Roberts said Christy Bridges, and Moore showed Mayor Horne the names of the engineers. Osborne asked if this

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would be for anyone to drive through Moore said yes. Mayor Horne said to see what they had to say about it and bring it back. Moore said that he knew a 10 inch plastic pipe, and what they were talking about was not cheap, and that it was a commercial driveway and thirty feet long, saying that residential driveways weren’t but 20 foot wide and they want two 30’ pipes put in. Osborne asked if they could go ahead and make a motion to give them an easement and Moore talk to them so they can go ahead and get started by the end of the month. Moore said that they could go ahead and get started without the driveway because the other end of the driveway is on their property and the car wash itself is going to be beside the well and he didn’t think they would be holding them up, but knew it was something extra above the budget. Mayor Horne asked if there was a dirt driveway already going in there; Moore said they wanted another entrance and an exit, saying that it goes in on Dedrick Road and comes out on Dedrick, Mayor Horne said so they are going to use the driveway that is there, Moore said no, Mayor Horne said so they are going to build another road, Moore said yes another whole road, noting that the road would be 12 foot wide with 2 inch of asphalt. Moore said that if the city did the easement then BASF would be buying all the pipe and be doing all the work, Mayor Horne said that it sounds like a lot for a little carwash, Moore said that it’s not, it just looked that way saying that it was probably only 100 foot long.  Moore is to talk with BASF about the easement.

 

Scott had no report.

 

Osborne reported that she would be meeting with Spence Bassinger concerning the lines that need to be run on Macon Road after the Thanksgiving holidays.

 

 

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Thorpe said that he was in a focus group with a couple of people from two or three other small cities when they had their last district meeting where the created focus groups about satisfaction surveys for the cities customer service and some of the cities were not receptive to it, that it was basically a survey sent to the citizens to rate the service the city offered, like the police, water, fire just basic necessity that is provided to them, to see what their thoughts are then compile those and submit them back as a group survey.

 

Thorpe asked everyone to review the employee handbook to see if there was anything that needed to be added or taken away before our January 2018 meetings start. Mayor Horne said they could get that done.

 

McRee had no report.

 

Roberts said that they had gotten a extension until 2018 from USDA, and that if the city did anything like the Turnip Seed was talking about or what the county was talking about the city would have to reapply for the funding, that they could not use the funding the city has now if the project was changed in any way. Osborne said that in other words the city would have to borrow some more money, Mayor Horne said yes.  Mayor Horne said that she was not holding others up to do what they are trying to do, but we would lose our money, and Ross had said that grants were only at 2-3 million. Moore asked if Rindt-McDuff were redesigning the project for no cost. Roberts said they are but didn’t know about the cost, Scott said that is what they say.  Mayor Horne said that they have talked with Meg who said that they didn’t want to give the city anything in concrete until they had it all worked out, but they were talking about shallowing up some of the line. Moore said that if they rebid the project how long did they have, Mayor Horne said that they had until 2018, Moore said that this job was bid in

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September 2016, Roberts said that is because they have been sitting on this, McRee said the bid process doesn’t take that long, but everything before the bid, Moore said he thought there was a time limit on that too. Mayor Horne said that she hoped and prayed that it is not as expensive as it was and if the city needed to go and get some more easements along the way then they would have to do it, asking McRee if that was a long process, McRee said that it can be. Moore said the month that Ross had there wasn’t but 10 months, September 2018, Mayor Horne said they have had other extensions, and didn’t know if that had a bearing on it or not.

 

Mayor Horne said that there were 2/3 of the people on Bethune Road that wanted trash cans, and told Roberts to get some trash cans out if they can and distribute to the citizens in December, Roberts said they would get billed in, Mayor Horne said December, Roberts said January, Mayor Horne said maybe we could go ahead and get them out, Roberts said you had to get them first, Mayor Horne said that wouldn’t take long, Roberts said it depended on how fast Dixon could get some to bring. Scott said that this month was almost over with and they wouldn’t be able to charge them for a whole month. Mayor Horne said that she needed to call him because he said that he would so whatever the city wanted to do. Roberts said that he would need time to get some cans that he didn’t keep a lot of cans in stock. Moore said that the ones they did have over there had wheels messed up. Mayor Horne said to get Linda to see how many, Roberts said that you could have an ordinance in place that whoever was in the city limits of McIntyre had to have a trashcan. Moore said that he thought they already had that, Roberts said that was just water customers now.   Mayor Horne said that the city was providing an extra service and if they wanted it out of their yard then the city would get it out of their yard. Moore said that he believed it

 

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was around 36, Mayor Horne said that they had counted them before but Linda would have that information.

 

Roberts said that she would have the information for the budget in their boxes for them to go over for the 2018 budget.

 

Motion to adjourn was made by Thorpe, seconded by Osborne, no opposition, motion carried.

 

 

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November 6, 2017 Minutes

City of McIntyre

Council Meeting

November 6, 2017

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Mayor Horne called meeting to order, led in prayer by Eugene Moore.

 

Present were Mayor Vicki Horne, Council members Eugene Moore, Katherine Scott, Deborah Osborne, Ahmad Thorpe, also present were City Attorney David McRee, City Clerk Pamela Roberts, Chief of Police Wayne Amerson, absent was Council member Rico Myrick.

 

Motion to approve October 16th, 2017 council meeting minutes was made by Thorpe, seconded by Scott, no opposition, motion carried.

 

Agenda Presented New Business as:

 

  1. Parking Lot Rental – Ahmad Thorpe
  2. AGL Easement

 

Agenda Presented No Old Business

 

Mayor Horne addressed the first item on the agenda, Thorpe said that he had the information that he needed for clarification.

 

Reports:

 

Moore said that on his budget they were going to cut out uniforms rentals but found out after the budget the contract had rolled over for another two years and couldn’t eliminate it so he was coming up way short in uniforms, saying that they had $1,400 in the budget, saying that it looked like it was costing $100 per person per month, noting that it was already at $3,600 and after prorating it will go up to $4,300 for the year instead of the $1,400 in the budget. Mayor Horne asked why it was going up, Moore said because the city couldn’t get out of the contract, Roberts said but they did cut it in half, that they were only paying $108.00 per week for everything, Roberts said that Mr. Gene’s was like that because he had four people coming out of his, Mayor Horne asked who the four people were, Roberts said Mark, Antion, and Tim, Moore said and Colby up until September, Robert said that Mark’s was 14.40 per week, Tim’s was 17.40 and Antion’s she thought was 14.60, Mayor Horne said that couldn’t Mark’s come out of the water, Roberts said she could, Scott said couldn’t they all come out of the water,

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Moore said that Willie was in the water. Mayor Horne said that she thought they were just doing the Salary. Moore said that you only had two more months, and it was going to put him way out on the budget and he was told that was against the law. Roberts said yes, but that you could do amendments within a department’s budget to cover short falls.  Roberts said that is what they did last year, Moore said not last year because he was over on two line items in his budget last year. McRee said that Moore was right, but what Roberts was saying is that you can make adjustments before the end of the year if you find out you are over say $500.00 in some area and have $500 extra in another area, you could move the 500 in that area as long as you do it before the end of the year.

 

Moore said that he heard what was said at the last meeting about the Christmas Bonus, but he could not see not giving the employees a Christmas Bonus, saying that if you looked in the budget there was a line item showing $3,000 in it, Osborne said yes but they voted on it, Moore said no they didn’t, Osborne said yes they did, Roberts said that she would have to go back and look, but knew that that they had put three proposals on the table when they made the changes, and knew that one took it out completely, Moore said that he knew that the $3,000 was in the total for the budget, Scott said that she didn’t think they eliminated it completely, Moore said according to this they didn’t, Thorpe said that the thing here on October and he might be mistaken but it reads 250 per month, and $2,500.00, Moore said that yes that was per month, but you have 10 months that makes the 2,500, Moore said but for the whole year you had $3,000, Scott said not per person, Moore said it would be $250.00 per person saying at that time they had 12 employees but now only had 11, and he would leave it up to Wayne to do for his new employee.

 

Moore motioned to give the employees a $250 Christmas bonus, seconded by Scott, no opposition, motion carried.

 

Mayor Horne said that they gave the employees their Christmas bonus, but don’t forget about the fire department, they get theirs too. Moore said that no the fire department didn’t get the bounus, Mayor said that she was talking about what they gave them for their food, Roberts said yes, that they do give them money for their Christmas party. Mayor Horne said that is what she was talking about. Scott asked how much did they give them, Roberts said $500.00.

 

 

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Moore said that Michael Brewer had his stuff almost in the road again. Amerson said that he would go back down there, and he would not be nice about it this time, Scott said to fine them.

 

Moore said that a section of the roof at the public works building has blown up and was laying on the other part of the roof. Moore asked if they wanted to fix it.  Scott asked if there was anything in there, Moore said that it wasn’t inside but on the breeze way saying it was laying on the top, Thorpe asked if it was over the part of the walkway, Moore said yes.  Osborne asked what did they use the building for, Moore said that is where Mark and Willie  sit for the water department. Osborne asked if they had an estimate, Roberts said they did and thought it was $1,000. Osborne asked if they could use SPLOST, Roberts said she didn’t know but thought SPLOST was used for Capital Projects and didn’t believe this would be a capital project more like a repair.  Scott asked about insurance, Moore said yes but it was a $1,000 deductible.  Mayor Horne said to see how much it would be.

 

Scott said the city bought a generator and wanted to know if it was up and running. Osborne said no, Scott asked why not. Mayor Horne said that Willie claimed he was going to call Helton, Scott asked what was the hold up, Osborne said she didn’t know, Scott said that you needed to get someone over that, Scott said Mr. Gene,  Mayor Horne said no, that Mr. Moore can’t do everything, call Mr. Helton, Scott said not for him to do it, but to get someone, Moore said he could do it, noting that he had already had a price on a new generator and the equipment to put a generator on it, when this one was bought, saying that he had a pretty good idea of what it would cost, about $11,000. Mayor Honre said what, Moore said to put this generator in and connect, the first thing you had to do was put a concrete slab down, then run your wire and conduit, and you have to put in a 125amp three way switch and they aren’t cheap, so that when you are on the power line you switch it one way, and when you’re on generator you switch it the other way, saying that you had to do that. Mayor Horne asked if you could use SPLOST,  Roberts said that she would double check with Judy, Moore said that he would have to get it requoted since that was last year,  Mayor Horne said that Willie says he’s working on it, Moore said that he would work on it, and that Willie has done some, saying that he has connected the water hoses back on it, but one hose he has not connected yet, and he has not put a battery in it. Scott asked who, Moore said Willie, Scott said is that his job. Mayor Horne said to get someone to look at it,  Moore said you could get big M to put it in or could get Gil

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Wall to get it done, saying that big M still was working on the bush hog. Mayor Horne asked how much was in SPLOST, Roberts said she believed around 40 but didn’t know for sure. Mayor Horne said that when she found out to let her know.

 

Osborne said that she has talked with Spence Basinger, and he would meet with her and Mark and Willie next week about the water lines going down Macon Road.

 

Thorpe thanked those who helped with the haunted house, especially to Ms. Angles and the Beta Club members and the girls basket ball team and some of the boys basket ball teams that helped out as well, saying that it was a success, that they shortened the time span but think it was successful. Mayor Horne said that they did have a good turnout, asking if they could send a letter to them thanking them, and maybe buy some pizza, to let her know and she would pay for it.

 

Mayor Horne said the only thing she had was that they had a number of those that are not citizens but are on the city’s water service that have shown interest in trash pickup, saying that Amesha

Williams went up and down her road to see who wanted the trash pickup, saying that she has talked with Billy Dixon and he said he would do whatever the city wants and she knew that they had talked about it before charging 10 but could charge 7, whatever they wanted to do. Mayor Horne asked McRee if they needed to vote on it, send letters, let them know ahead of time. McRee said all they needed to do was vote on a rate.

 

Scott made motion to pay same as the citizens do, seconded by Moore, no opposition, motion carried. Mayor Horne said to call Billy and to send a letter to those. Roberts asked if they could wait until the next billing cycle, Mayor Horne asked when December, Mayor Horne said that she would let them know, and get them a trash can.

 

Mayor Horne said that they are waiting to hear from Kathy Ross and haven’t heard anything, and has asked Roberts to reach out to Meg and she thought Meg had told Roberts that she didn’t want to give them anything, Roberts said that she had said that they didn’t want to give the city any ideas right now until things were in concrete, Mayor Horne said that they were working on ways to shallow up the lines. Mayor Horne said hopefully they will tell them they

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can do this in phases, saying that Milledgeville got a $750,000 grant to do their sewer line, Moore said one small community. Mayor Horne said that she talked with Sherry Kurtz and she said she would be willing to help with writing for the grant.

 

Mayor Horne said there was one thing on the agenda the AGL easement, Roberts said that yes, everyone should have a copy of it, saying as it reads they will pay the city 2,000 for allowing them to use the right-of-ways to house some equipment while they work on the gas line, and she needed council to vote to have the Mayor sign so that she could get it back to them.

 

Motion authorizing the Mayor to sign the Atlanta Gas Light, seconded by Osborne, no opposition, motion carried.

 

Roberts said that she thought she may have said something beforehand about the cancer benefit program for the Fire Departments, no matter if they were volunteer or full time, the city in which they work for has got to have insurance for them, and that you had two options. One was a lump sum cancer benefit, where they get one sum of money, usually around $25,000 depending upon the type of cancer with a max up to 50,000 or you could do the long term income replacement which means they would be paid 60% of their pre-disability earnings as fire fighters, saying that McIntyre’s firefighters only get 25 per call so she didn’t think they would benefit from that one, saying that she needed a motion to get this turned back in. Thorpe said that it would be beneficial for the lump sum.

 

Scott made a motion to do the lump sum, Martin from the Gallery asked how much would it cost, Roberts said that she didn’t have the sheet with the cost, Mayor Horne said it didn’t matter that it was mandated, Roberts said for the lump sum it would be an annual estimate of 1551.00 per year for all of them. Seconded by Thorpe, no opposition, motion carried. Mayor asked how the state can mandate a city to do this if they can’t afford it. McRee said it’s called an unpaid mandate.

 

 

 

 

 

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Motion to adjourn was made by Scott, seconded by Thorpe, no opposition, motion carried.

 

 

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Mayor                                                                         Attest

 

 

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October 16, 2017 Minutes

City of McIntyre

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Mayor Horne called meeting to order, led in prayer by council member Eugene Moore.

 

Present were: Mayor Vicki Horne, Mayor Pro-tem Rico Myrick, Council members Eugene Moore, Deborah Osborne, Ahmad Thorpe, also present were City Attorney David McRee, and City Clerk Pamela Roberts. Absent were Council member Katherine Scott and Chief of Police Wayne Amerson.

 

Agenda Presented New Business as:

 

  1. Greg Boike – Comprehensive Plan/Adoption of Resolution of Comprehensive Plan

 

Agenda Presented No Old Business.

 

Motion to approve the October 2nd, 2017 council minutes was made by Osborne seconded by Thorpe, no opposition, motion carried.

 

Mayor Horne welcomed Greg Boike, Mr. Boike stated that he had a couple of things he wanted to talk to them about, the first which is a resolution to adopt the joint comprehensive plan, saying that it was something they have been working on with the city for the last several months, noting the series of meetings that were held with McIntyre, the other cities as well as the county, saying that they received word back at the end of September that the state had reviewed the plan and approved it, that they liked everything in it and gave the go ahead, saying that this was a formal resolution that said the city had followed everything that was in the law, and made sure that the law was followed when updating the plan, and this resolution was the formal way of adopting the plan to stay in compliance with the state.

 

Motion to adopt resolution for the Joint Comprehensive plan was made by Osborne, seconded by Thorpe, no opposition, motion carried.

 

Boike said the other thing he wanted to talk about was the Service Delivery Strategy (SDS), saying that this was something that has been an ongoing discussion, saying that every 10 years or so, the government has cities look at their SDS to see if things are correct or not correct, to make changes if they need to make changes, and submit those changes to the state, and that they were coming up on that 10 year deadline, saying where they stand right now is that there have been some ongoing discussions that McIntyre and Irwinton have been having, saying that he had a chance to sit down with Mayor Horne and Mayor Bacon to talk about some of the issues where they have water lines in close proximity  to one another where they are serving water customers in the city of McIntyre and sort of recognizing that was a very  complicated issue and what they would need is more time to discuss that

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saying that what they were going to ask for specifically today is an extension of that existing deadline for an additional 4 months to continue discussions and basically keep the City of McIntyre and other cities in Wilkinson County in compliance with the state regulations until such time they are able to go into those discussions in more detail and hammer out a more specific agreement regarding future expansion of water lines and eventual transition of those customers from Irwinton to McIntyre, saying the 2nd request was to ask for the extension.  Boike said all he needed was the Mayor’s signature, but if they wanted to do a full motion they could, and if they wanted to discuss it, he would be glad to do so, Mayor Horne said to please do so.  Boike said that one of the byproducts of that conversation between the two mayors from a couple of weeks ago, was that it may help to have some form of written agreement in place that spells out at what time those residents/households will transfer service between Irwinton and McIntyre and under what conditions, etc, Mayor Horne asked if he could discuss those conditions that were brought up to council, Boike said what the city Irwinton brought up in that discussion was having McIntyre pay Irwinton for the transition of those in the City of McIntyre and future revenue as one of the conditions of that, Mayor Horne asked for how many years, Boike said that he believed he had said for 10 years.  Osborne said that she believed that they didn’t have to pay Irwinton anything, saying that she believed all the city had to do was put their system in place and then tell him to come and remove theirs as long as the City of McIntyre had theirs in place, asking McRee if she was correct.  McRee said that there is a case that he has distributed to both governments in the Metro-Atlanta area and the ruling in the case is that if you have water lines in your territorial limits that someone else is servicing that you have the right to take those customers back as long as you run the infrastructure yourself or you pay the government for the infrastructure that they have in place if you are going to take over their infrastructure, saying that he has given a copy of that case to Mayor Bacon and he has given a copy to this government, saying that he did not know where he was coming up with the other, and has not discussed that idea with him and he has not discussed that idea with the council in an open meeting that he is floating with McIntyre 10 years of lost revenue, and that he didn’t know where he has come up with that idea. Boike said that he was not served the reasoning or rationale behind that as well, wanting to get some compensation if their lines have to be removed or sell, which he thought was another option, Osborne said according to the case that they can put their own lines in, saying that she has contacted Spence Basinger, but he hasn’t gotten back with her yet, noting that he had by-pass surgery, but said he said he would get back in touch with her about this water line, saying that if the city gets their lines back in place like it should be and they can service those lines, saying that she was one of them, and that if they do, they are not going to pay Mr. Bacon anything, saying that if they have to they will buy and put in their own meters, and he can come and remove their equipment out of the City of McIntyre’s ground. Mayor Horne said that she didn’t know where he (Bacon) was getting his information, but had said that he has discussed it with the city attorney and his accounting firm and that he was going to do what was best for his citizens. McRee asked if he said he discussed it with him, Mayor Horne said he said his lawyer and his accountant.  McRee said that he may have discussed it with

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his accountant but didn’t discuss it with him other than McRee sending him that case, Mayor Horne said that he led her to believe that he had already discussed it with his council because she had already asked him, McRee said that he may have done it individually but it has not been discussed in an open meeting that he has been to. Boike said that he thinks a reason for an extension request is to allow time to work out a solution whether that solution is the City runs their own lines out there or buy the lines that are already in the ground and the city transfers over because as it stands right now that is a discrepancy that if it goes up to the state as it currently shows it will raise a red flag with them saying you’ve got competing service and they would have to explain why competing service exist and they don’t know what the plan is to resolve that, saying they need to at least know what the plan is to resolve that conflicting service is going to be, saying that if they know what that is going to be tonight then they could go forth with, but even at the earliest it would probably take the state 30-45 days to process that extension at this point and he would recommend that at the very least get it to the state to keep the city in compliance. McRee said that he recommended that council get the Mayor to sign the extension, Mayor Horne said that she thought they knew what they wanted to do, saying the city wanted to put their own lines there and buy their meters, and believed that was part of the discussion that has been, noting that Irwinton has been getting that money from those services for years, saying that she didn’t understand why they should offer to pay them anything,  saying that it what the discussion has been, to pay for their meters because they had new meters put in, and the City of McIntyre runs their own lines, Osborne said if he will sell them for what he got them for. Officer Hughes said that the city couldn’t use those meters, saying they were electronic. Mayor Horne said yes, but Irwinton could take up those meters and reuse them somewhere, saying that she thought that is what McIntyre wanted to do anyway and the city could buy their own meters, saying that she would sign the extension if that is what they want, but felt they knew what they wanted to do and that was to put in their own meters and run their own lines, Boike said what was the time line for getting those  meters and lines installed and what date would those services transfer over, Mayor Horne said that it would take some time to get that done, Boike said that was something else that was worth figuring out and what they will tell the state about on what date the services will transfer. Mayor Horne asked if she could get a motion.

 

Motion to have Mayor sign the extension for adopting the SDS was made by Osborne, seconded by Thorpe, no opposition, motion carried.

 

Roberts noted that council needed to approve the minutes from the called meeting on October 12, 2017.

 

Motion to accept the minutes from the called meeting on October 12, 2017 was made by Thorpe, seconded by Osborne, no opposition, motion carried.

 

 

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Reports:

 

Moore said that he needed clarification on Mr. Pitts, saying that he understood that he didn’t have a food permit, but didn’t understand this trespassing by the railroad. McRee said that if the citation in question, saying that it was a question between the person getting the citation and the officer who wrote the citation., and if it’s trespassing, that probably went to the courthouse, that he didn’t think the McIntyre Court handled trespassing in municipal court, and if someone had a question and if there was a citation then they needed to discuss it with whoever wrote the citation. Moore said there was not a citation except from the health department, McRee said then that wasn’t a trespassing citation, Moore said that he talked to Wayne and Wayne said that the Railroad called him and said that they didn’t want Pitts  trespassing on their property because he was violating the law by not having that health permit and that Mr. Knowles  sits on Railroad Property selling produce and is not trespassing because he has a license but how can both be on railroad property and Pitts is trespassing and Mr. Knowles is not. McRee said that it was up to the owner of the property to decide who they want to trespass off their property or not, they could tell the other person who is selling produce that they want them off their property too, so they can pick and choose who they want on their property, that his understanding to as why the person got a health department notice or citation was because he was serving prepared food, compared to someone that was selling fruits and vegetable and not prepared food and that is what they discussed at the meeting he thought two weeks ago, but whether either is selling anything they could trespass those people off and those sitting on those benches down there if they wanted to. Myrick asked what the right-of-way was, Moore said 25 feet off the center line, Mayor Horne asked how much of it was really the railroads property, Myrick said that he felt Pitts was on the city property, except maybe the wood he had stored behind him.  Moore said that if they put up no trespassing signs that would apply to everybody, McRee said yes and one way to look at it was somebody comes up in your yard and was ying yanging with him and his wife and you call law enforcement and say you wanted them out of there and trespass them from coming back there again and if they come back again after they have been trespassed away from your property then they can be sited for trespassing, Moore said that he knew that agriculture laws were lenient, but Mr. Knowles boils peanuts and drying up meat skins over there and sells them to the public, Osborne said isn’t that cooking, Moore said not according to agriculture, Mayor Horne said that meat was, McRee said either way it is not a city council issue, Moore said so none of my business, McRee said it is your business individually but it’s not something city council can do anything about, Mayor Horne said they can call the railroad, McRee said that yes you could call the railroad, but it would be an informal request, Mayor Horne said then they’ll do that because Anthony was concerned about it, noting that there were evil people out there that didn’t want to see someone prosper, saying that Pitts said that he was going to get a permit, but wanted to know if the city was going to allow him on the premises here, Mayor Horne said that they have done it for years, Roberts

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said that is something she wanted to ask them about, saying he asked about getting a letter, and she was thinking about doing a generic letter since he wasn’t the only one who used the parking lot, but said he said he just needed something giving him permission to be on the property, Roberts said that she told him the city didn’t have a problem with it. Thorpe asked if they needed a motion, Mayor Horne said they voted on that a long time ago to let people have it. McRee said you could draw up some form like a permit and give it to them as long as they permitted through the health department, because he believed they have already agreed to let people be here as long as they are permitted by the Health Department.

 

Moore said that they are working on the bush hog, that after taking it apart the only other problem they found was with the brakes, and don’t seem to be any transmission problems or any other gear problems, saying they are moving on to getting it put back on.

 

Osborne said that she has contacted Spence and was waiting on getting back with her.

 

Thorpe said he had a couple of things, saying for documentation purposes, his mobile device was stolen at the city park on Sunday and he has reported it to Chief Amerson and the Clerk and has been documented and a report has been generated and the clerk has a copy of that.

 

Thorpe said that he has looked into the budget and noted where the Christmas bonus amount has been cut in half, Osborne said they cut it out, Thorpe asked cut completely out or in half, Osborne and Roberts said completely out.

 

Thorpe remined everyone of the District 6 meeting would be on October the 26th at 6:30 in Centerville as it always is, and Joel Wiggins is the person you need to contact if you are planning on attending and it’s basically an opportunity for the city officials to network and support initiatives that are going on in the district.

 

Myrick had no report

 

McRee said he had something but would discuss it after the meeting, something that the clerk had sent to him earlier in the week to review.

 

Mayor Horne said that she had Garrett fencing come down to look at the fence at the park to deviate some of the traffic and repair some of those areas, saying the fence was good overall was in pretty good condition, but there were some weaknesses and one large fence that is not able to close properly,

 

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Thorpe asked if she was talking about that part where the cars come in, Mayor Horne said yes, Mayor noted that they had said they were 4 weeks out, so they wouldn’t be able to do it this month.

 

Motion to adjourn was made by Thorpe, seconded by Osborne, no opposition, motion carried.

 

 

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October 2, 2017 Minutes

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Meeting called to order by Mayor Pro-tem Rico Myrick, led in prayer by Council member Ahmad Thorpe.

 

Present were: Mayor Pro-tem Rico Myrick, Council Members Eugene Moore, Katherine Scott, Deborah Osborne, and Ahmad Thorpe, also present were City Attorney David McRee, City Clerk Pamela Roberts, and Chief of Police Wayne Amerson.

 

Motion to accept the minutes from the September 18th 2017 council meeting was made by Thorpe, seconded by Scott, no opposition, motion carried.

 

Agenda Presented no New or Old Business.

 

Moore, Scott, Osborne nor Thorpe had reports.

 

Chief Amerson said that he had given everyone his report, that it has been a slow month, but noted the string of burglary but tha has been solved.

 

Myrick asked about David Anderson, Amerson said that he started around the 20th or 21st, and that he was on board now. Thorpe asked if he was going to be in the same shift as Kump, Amerson said yes until he gets his feet wet and the system they have down here, but was looking at possibly rotating them every couple of months or so, saying that some of the guys that are here have been on night shift since they have been here, and was thinking of shifting them around some.

 

Osborne asked McRee if he had found out about the service agreement with the water in Irwinton, McRee said that he had sent the clerk a copy of the case, asking if she had put it in their box, the clerk said that she had. Osborne asked McRee his feelings on that, McRee said that it basically says what he said before that if somebody else is servicing within the jurisdiction limit, then they have the right to take back control of the customers and either you have to run your own lines to service them or pay whoever is servicing them now for their infrastructure, saying that is what that case is saying, Osborne said that she would rather the city run their own lines.  Myrick asked if they wanted to discuss it at the next meeting , Osborne said that Mark has said that he had worked up something, Osborne said that to tell Mark to get a cost estimate, Myrick said that he was sure the cost had gone up, Moore said that what he had done before  as just a material list, that he didn’t get a construction cost, Osborne asked if they could do it, Moore said that when he asked that question before they said no, unless you gave them 4-5 years to do it. Martin said 4-5 years, Moore said that they have been talking about it for that long, Osborne said that maybe they could get an engineer for something like that, Scott commented that we had one, Roberts said Rindt-McDuff, Osborne said no, Myrick said for the water line, Roberts

 

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said that you would have to advertise for one, Scott said she thought the city had one through GIRMA, Roberts said not that she knew of, Myrick asked about Spence Bassinger with the county, Osborne said that she could asked Spence, Roberts asked if you would have to do a RFP on that, McRee said that if the project was under $100,000 you wouldn’t have to, Osborne asked is Roberts wanted her to ask Spence, Roberts said that was up to them, but that he was pretty reasonable.

 

Myrick said that the third Sunday at the park Brundage Mount would be holding outside church services beginning at 10:00 a.m, and invited everyone.

 

Roberts reminded everyone of the public hearings to be held on Thursday one at 9 a.m, and the other at 6 p.m, also the meeting with USDA and Rindt-McDuff at 10a.m.

 

Roberts also talked about the visit the Health Department had done, noting that as far as selling food in the parking lot and that they couldn’t sell prepared food or prepare food on site without a permit from the Health Department. Thorpe said that he had talked with Richard Craft, saying that he had sent him an email and he would get copies to everyone before they left, Osborne asked if it included Anthony Pitts, Roberts said yes, that it was basically what this was about, Moore asked if that also included at the Railroad, Amerson said that the Railroad had contacted him, and asked him to enforce no trespassing on railroad property, and believed the Health Department had also contacted the Railroad, Osborne asked about the fruit salesman, Amerson said that it doesn’t apply to produce, saying that it wasn’t prepared food, Thorpe asked if he was on the same property, Amerson said that the Railroad did not have a problem with Bobby being there because he was legal, but they didn’t want Pitts cooking without a permit from the Health Department, Osborne said they couldn’t cook in our parking lot either, Roberts said only if they are a 503 non-profit, but they still have to have a permit from the Health Department saying that the city falls under the 503 and that’s why they don’t have to pay for all those permits. Osborne asked about if he sold from his house, Amerson said he couldn’t do that either without a permit.  Osborne asked how much was the permit; Roberts said she believed he said $50.00. Thorpe said that a quick fix would be for Pitts to get the permit and meet whatever the standards were. Scott asked if he had to get one every time he does it, Roberts said yes.  Roberts said that if he set up something like a food truck where all the equipment was permanent and met standards he might not have to, he might be able to get a license, but to do it every other Saturday he would and have to be inspected each time, Scott said that they don’t come but every other two weeks, Roberts said they came Saturday, because they got him Saturday.  Martin asked if they got him at his house, Roberts said she didn’t know where they got him, McRee said the main thing is they want it to be safe, Thorpe said yes, and that was what Mr. Craft had said, that he was preparing food for so many people and if somebody got sick it could be a liability, McRee said they just want it safe so no one gets sick or dies from eating

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bad food, and they want to inspect it so that doesn’t happen. Moore said that he was set up at his house on the hill Saturday when they came. Moore said that he talked to him late Saturday evening and had told him. Thorpe distributed copies of the email sent to him by Craft to him, noting that he had asked about the permit and the mobile and that’s when he said if he set it up a food truck he would be legit. Osborne said that they would be inspected too.

 

Motion to adjourn was made by Scott, seconded by Thorpe,

 

Ms. Joyce Martin asked if she could ask a question about the nuisance ordinance, asking when are they going to write something or whatever they are going to do about it, Roberts said that they had thirty days, Martin asked when did they go, Roberts said yes, and didn’t believe it had been thirty days yet, that the letter went out about Mid September, Moore said September 20th, Martin noted that they had until October 20th, and asked who was going to check on it, Amerson said he would, Martin noted that the cars had not been moved to the back of the house and probably wouldn’t be, because if he can get insurance on those cars well, but his house looks like a royal palace compared to what comes down the rest of the street. Moore said that he knew Ed Shauger had hauled a truck load out of the yard and cut some bushes around the other house, saying they had 4 place on Pine Circle, saying the Bache Property, they cut the tree off the house and has cut the weeds around it, Martin said yeah but the house if falling down, Moore said the two houses at the car wash they have done nothing, but the weeds have been cut around the Jones’ house, Martin said so all you have to see is an effort, Thorpe said that was his understanding, Osborne said that she disagreed, that it should look half way decent. Moore said the Angles have not done anything to his place. Osborne said that Harry’s sometimes looks like it’s been driven hard and put up wet.  Martin asked what happens if they don’t do it, Roberts said that it was an ordinance violation, that they would get cited for an ordinance violation and have to appear in municipal court.

 

With no other discussion motion to adjourn was accepted, no opposition, motion carried.

 

 

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September 18, 2017 Minutes

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Mayor Horne called meeting to order, led in prayer by Council member Eugene Moore.

 

Present were: Mayor Vicki Horne, Mayor Pro-tem Rico Myrick, Eugene Moore, Katherine Scott, Deborah Osborne, Ahmad Thorpe, also present were City Clerk Pamela Roberts, City Attorney David McRee and Chief of Police Wayne Amerson.

 

Motion to approve August 21, 2017 minutes was made by Thorpe second by Scott, no opposition, motion carried.

 

Agenda Presented New Business As:

 

  1. Curtis Kennedy  – Nuisance Ordinance Letter he received from the city.
  2. 2017 Mileage Rate

 

Agenda Presented Old Business As:

 

  1. ATV Ordinance

 

 

Mayor Horne welcomed Curtis Kennedy who asked about the nuisance letter he had received on the 30th but was dated the 25th, saying that Debra talked with Linda who said the 30 days would be up on the 25th, saying he called Mr. Moore, saying Moore thought it was hilarious when he talked to him but wanted to know what needed to be done, did he need to be through with it or started on it, Mayor Horne said to her the council is willing to give him the time he needs  as long as he is working on it and didn’t think they were trying to , Kennedy said that he could receive a citation, Mayor Horne said as long as they are seeing some changes in the yard that she didn’t think they were trying to be formally forceful with it but have received complaints from citizens, not just about his, but other’s also, and knew there was probably places worse than his, saying everyone has been given ample time, and we’re not trying to be overly forceful of it, but wanted to improve the community. Kennedy said that he had cars and didn’t have the money to put insurance on all of them, Mayor Horne asked if he was planning on rehabbing them, Kennedy said yes, Mayor Horne asked if he could put them in the back yard, Kennedy said yes, so they wouldn’t be such an eyesore, saying if he was planning on rehabbing just put them somewhere they aren’t so visible if he could.

 

Mayor Horne addressed the issue of the mil rate. Roberts explained the paper work, saying that she talked with Vanessa the other day and if you leave the millage rate at the 3.22 where it is now, the city would lose $47,869 out of the 2016 property tax and if you increase it by 1 mil you would still see a loss

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of $17,328, saying that if you increase it by 2 mils you have an increase of $13,214, and the others were 2.5 and three, saying that she wanted council to see several increases and decide on what they wanted to do. Scott asked about the 2.5 increase, how much, Osborne said $30,927, reminding council that if you increase it more than a mil you would have to hold 3 public hearings and an adoption called meeting, noting 2 would be on one day, and the other 2 on another day, a week apart, Osborne said you had to advertise it also, Mayor Horne asked if there had been an increase, Roberts said that she believed they did increase it last year but not much, not a mil, saying that she believed they went from 2.97 to 3.22. Scott asked if they went up 2.5 mils how much would the taxes be, Roberts said that it would be based on the value of your home, that you could take the value multiply it by 40% then multiply that by the mil rate and that would give you an approximate increase for just the city taxes because the overall rate for McIntyre right now was 35 something, but that included the county and the schools, Osborne said that more than likely the county would have to increase theirs too, but would know more tomorrow night.  Mayor Horne asked why did the county need to go up, are they increases the services or something, Osborne said no, that they were short also, thinking they were about 1 million short, but had three proposals on the table. Scott said that it looks like there would need to be an increase Moore said if you leave it like it is you were going to be 47,869 less than you were this year, and if you wanted to see any increase in revenue you were going to increase it by a least 2 mils, Scott said 2.5 mils. Roberts said the good news is that your budget isn’t that far off from what they are saying the city is going to get, saying that the budget was at 130,000 and you would get 128,000, Mayor Horne asked when did she say that, Robert said no, that if you look at the budget the estimate to receive was 130, and the tax commission is saying we would get the 128, Mayor Horne said if you don’t increase it, Roberts said no, that is if you increase it by 1 mil.

 

Mayor Horne ok to vote, Roberts said no, that you would discuss it and decide what you are going to increase it by. McRee said you don’t vote until after you have the public hearings. Mayor Horne said you still had to get a consensus and went around the table, all members agreed on the 2.5 increase.

 

Roberts discussed possible hearing times and meetings, noting that they could have 2 on the 5th of October  one at 9 and the other at 6 then on October 12th around 4:30 then go into the called meeting to adopt.  Mayor Horne asked if Roberts had heard anything from BASF, Roberts concerning what, Mayor Horne the taxes, Roberts said that is why the city is losing money, they finally reached an agreement on the appeal.  Council agreed with the meetings and the times.

 

Reports:

 

Moore said that they delayed putting TSPLOST on the ballot until next year and Oct 4th, they are suppose to make a presentation, saying that the city’s priority was Vinson Road and they are suppose to make a

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presentation with the following information, length, width, traffic count, accident data the importance of the project, why it was submitted for consideration, what it means to the transportation system and the current status of the project, noting that Vinson Road was the number one priority that they had put on the TSPLOST for McIntyre, and they have it terminating at the church where they have already paved but they included all the way to 441 including all of Julian Roberts By-pass and the length down at 1.4 miles and that was about right. Scott asked if the city had to put down any money with it, Moore said that with TSPLOST you could use TSPLOST funds, LMIG on one project and the county would have to match the remainder of it. Scott asked if they had money for it, noting they only had $38,000 in SPLOST.  Mayor Horne said she didn’t know if they were going to pick it up or not, but they would see. Moore said you could do it in sections, but right now the TSPLOST if it is put on the ballot, will it pass, and don’t know how much McIntyre would get for it, saying before that small of a county before was going to get more, but it’s still got to past and last time Houston County defeated, saying that Ned Sanders said that their roads are paved and defeated it in Houston County 2-1 and it was enough to defeat it for the whole district.  Moore said that he hoped he would be able to go on October 4th, Mayor Horne asked the time, Moore said at 9, Mayor Horne asked where Tennille, Moore said the RC in Macon.  Moore noted the County’s priority road was Gordon McIntyre and second was JR Sims.

 

Moore said that he was concerned about the Sewage System and needed to hear USDA say if the city decided to go the Turnip Seed route what USDA would do with the grant money. Mayor Horne said that she had a meeting with Roger Bacon on Thursday, saying about 10 minutes into the meeting they talked about the customers on Macon Road and signing them over to McIntyre, and Bacon said that before he could sign off the City of McIntyre would have to pay Irwinton 10 years for their water and had Wright and Wright working on the numbers and assessing cost with the new meters, saying they had a heated discussion due to the fact that every time he came he never talked about the 10 years worth of payment, that he only talked about McIntyre paying for the meters and putting in their own lines, and talked about how he doesn’t have to do it, and Mayor Horne said she knew that, saying they discussed the Turnip Seed and Bacon was pushing McIntyre into going in that direction, saying that the 10 years of payment through her off, saying that she felt he thought that McIntyre was holding up the Authority, but her thing was that McIntyre wasn’t holding up the county, that if the county wanted a board they could do it, but thought before the city went in any further they needed to study how much was the citizens of McIntyre going to save, how much it’s going to cost the city, are we going to get money back from what has already been invested, but then Bacon said he was waiting on McIntyre. Thorpe asked if Bacon was the one that has been designated to be over this, Mayor Horne said that he was the one spearheading it, noting that Bacon said he had spoken with Bubber Epps at the state capital about having elected officials on board, Mayor Horne said that didn’t have to be, that you could find good people, but it is something for council to think about, if they wanted to move forward. Osborne asked

 

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what Irwinton was going to get out of all this, why Bacon is pushing so hard, Moore said that they were going to get the school house.  Mayor Horne said they should ask him. Mark Fountain asked why the city was talking about buying customers when McIntyre had a line before Irwinton ever had a system. Mayor Horne said that he referred to Silas as the man that owned the lines, but she didn’t know the history of over there. Moore said that they weren’t in the city limits at that time, Fountain but the city had existing water lines there.  Fountain said the reason they aren’t serving that area was because the lines are no good, but they were there, saying it was true it wasn’t in McIntyre City’s limit, nor was it Irwinton, and a lot of them have double meters, and that he couldn’t legally flow water in those lines as old as they are, saying that Irwinton has sometimes tapped into McIntyre’s water lines, saying that they sometimes get calls from customers wanting to know why they have low pressure and blowing off the hydrants and it would be Irwinton doing it to take pressure off their lines.  Mayor Horne said she had no idea. Fountain said that he didn’t understand why the City of McIntyre had to buy customers when they were McIntyre’s first.  Mayor Horne said she didn’t know that he said he was listening to their city attorney and their auditors and listening to what he has been instructed to do. McRee said that it has been discussed with him very little, and like he has told them and McIntyre his understanding was that those customers are in the Service Delivery Strategy and it was agreed that Irwinton would serve those customers in the SDS, and that is what he is told, and in order to change that they would have to agree to modify the SDS to say that McIntyre would serve those customers, saying they are now in the city limits of McIntyre, if they are in the city limits of McIntyre, McIntyre by law is entitled to serve those customers and they have to do it in one of two ways, you have to run your own lines to serve them or you have to buy the lines of the other government that is serving them and that is what the law says. Mayor Horne asked how’s that with McIntyre having to pay for 10 years, McRee said that he has never heard that before the Mayor mentioned it. Scott asked Moore if he had heard that, Moore said yes but it wasn’t ten years, it was $16,000, Moore said it wouldn’t be 10 years but 5 years. Osborne asked for a ball figure to put the lines up there, Fountain said he couldn’t remember, that he did do an estimate on repairing the line all the way to replacing the meter box and everything, Moore said that one was 13,000 and the other was 16,000. Mayor Horne said that Bacon has discussed it with someone, Scott asked who, Mayor Horne said Pam, Roberts said no, Mayor Horne said or somebody, Mayor Horne said that everyone needs to be careful when out discussing things. McRee said you would still have to change the SDS to have McIntyre serve. Moore said that Bill Silas owned the water system in Irwinton when his was put out there, saying the City of Irwinton didn’t have anything to do with it, then Silas sold it to the City of Irwinton, Moore said that in the evenings when the water usage was the heaviest you could open faucets inside the house they would suck, so they had to pay for lines on the Silas system from the road to their house, saying that Colin and Mathis had duel meter, but most of the time McIntyre water didn’t work. Fountain said they had pressure switches, saying people closest to the tank will be the first ones to run out of water but now it’s different but it still doesn’t beat the problem of the bad line.  Mayor Horne said that Bacon said he wasn’t trying to hinder McIntyre’s sewage project. Mayor Horne

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cautioned everyone with talking about what is discussed at the table because they can run with it, and what she wanted to know from McRee is what can McIntyre do, and that her feelings were they weren’t going to be able to take over the customers right now anyway but he is looking at the income that is being generated. McRee suggested getting with the Regional Commission who writes the cities SDS, Mayor Horne said he was there, McRee asked what he said, Mayor Horne said he was just looking and smiling, saying that she said it had gotten heated in there. Mayor Horne noted that the RC would come up with a letter of intent saying what he proposes, but wasn’t going to do anything until McIntyre got sewage in place and her thing was she thought RC when they came down to discuss the people in Northwind Circle they said the citizens could sign a petition and present it to council and they could move forward with it like that, but didn’t have to go that way as far as paying them money, saying you would pay them 30,000 then have to put water lines in too and didn’t think that was right, because they are in the City of McIntyre limits and have been getting the income all these years. McRee said that he didn’t know about it because none of it has been discussed in the meetings he has been there, Mayor Horne said none of it, McRee said nothing about this 30,000 or ten years, Mayor Horne asked if he has said anything about the customers, McRee said that Bacon has casually mentioned at one or two meetings to some of the council that was there, and McRee had repeated the information that he just gave council about taking customers in the city limits. Fountain asked if council had seen it in the SDS, Mayor Horne said she had not, McRee said he was told it was in the agreement. McRee noted a appellant case for an issue like this, and would research. Mayor Horne said that before the city moved forward figures need to be known and study’s need to be done the county needs to pay for the study since they are the ones with the treatment for everyone and let the cities know the cost.  Osborne said that she agreed with Moore about getting the opinion of USDA, Mayor Horne said that Kathy Ross would be here on the 5th at 10 and hoped everyone would come so they could ask pertinent questions asking McRee to let them know, McRee said he would and would give Bacon a copy.

 

Scott reported that the City had $38,000 in SPLOST, 1,021,000 in LGIP, and 2,036 in the general fund, noting that there would need to be a draw soon, Mayor Horne asked how many more times would they have to draw, Roberts said probably Oct and Nov, Mayor Horne asked when we usually got the franchise check, Roberts said usually later part of February, early March.

 

Neither Osborne nor Thorpe had reports.

 

Myrick reported some damage done to the covering over the bleachers at the park, saying it blew most of the tin off.

 

Amerson said that David Anderson who was already working part-time for the police department contacted him about becoming full-time, said that he thought it was a win-win situation for McIntyre

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because he is not requiring any health benefits, saying he has all his benefits through the military, saying they have been working with just four, three sometimes depending on if someone was at training or what not, that the overtime was killing the budget, and he had tried to cut it down, and they needed the help, they needed to keep officers on the clock 24 hours asking if they could since he was already part-time couldn’t they just promote him to full time. McRee said that it was an open position, and thought you would have to advertise it, Roberts said but he was already part time, Osborne said you could advertise it in house only, McRee said yes, Osborne said you didn’t have to advertise it in the paper, McRee said if you’re go to hire from the inside you don’t, Amerson said since he was the only one part-time in house then he would be the only one eligible. Mayor Horne said we promoted before like that, Roberts said that was the way it was done in the street department.  Myrick asked if there needed to be a motion; Mayor Horne said yes, Scott asked about the rate of pay. Amerson said since he had 10 years of experience he wanted to start at 16 per hour,  it wasn’t as much as the others but it was close, Scott asked why not the same, Amerson said he was looking at the sonority of it.

 

Motion to hire Officer David Anderson, Jr. full time employee for the City of McIntyre was made by Myrick, seconded by Scott no opposition, motion carried.

 

Mayor Horne addressed old business of ATV Ordinance, asking if there was any discussion before they moved forward. Moore said once again he would like to say, noting an incident that happened to a 31 year old in Twiggs county riding a 4 wheeler in the middle of the road, and another one in Toomsboro there was a man down there that won’t ever walk again because of riding 4 wheelers in the middle of the road, and last night after dark there was what sounded like a tornado coming down the road and it was about 10-12 coming down Macon Road turned down Asbell Road, some had lights some did not, but this incident with the 31 year old man killed in the road just recent and then Michael Brewers brother was killed on a 4-wheeler crossing the railroad tracks, Mayor Horne said this ordinance doesn’t allow them to ride on the road, Moore said if you put them on the side of the road, they will be in the road. Mayor Horne said her feelings were even though you have an ATV Ordinance you are going to have people ride them in the road, regardless of what is in place, and it’s not allowing them to be on the road, Osborne said that Wayne can’t enforce if it if they are off the road, Thorpe asked why couldn’t they enforce it, Osborne said because he is on the shoulder of the road, Mayor Horne asked what did McRee say about the shoulder of the road, Amerson said there was some language in there that if they are doing it in a reckless manner he could do something according to the ordinance. Thorpe said that if they are speeding  or driving hazardously Amerson has the right to enforce the ordinance, Amerson said yes, that this gives them the right to ride on the shoulder not in the road. McRee said the only difference in this one and the one they had adopted was this restricts riding on any roadway. Osborne said that she was sitting on her porch and she watched him ride on the side of the road and when the truck passed by he looked back and rode on the road. Mayor Horne asked if there was an ordinance in place, the more

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stringent one, and they are still riding, asking Ms. Osborne did she call the law, Osborne said she did, Mayor Horne said good to continue, Mayor Horne said you can’t catch everyone, Amerson couldn’t catch everyone breaking the law, that some were going to do right, Osborne said yes for every one you have do right you have ten that would not.

 

Motion to approve the ATV ordinance as changed was made by Scott, seconded by Myrick, voting for the motion were, Thorpe, Myrick and Scott, opposing the motion were Osborne and Moore, motion carried.

 

Price who joined the meeting said that they wanted to hear about the ATV Ordinance, Mayor Horne asked if they had anything to say, Price said that they fly up and down their drive way on the side of the road, Mayor Horne asked if they called the police, Price said that there hadn’t been an ordinance to say they couldn’t, saying that they’ve been doing it, saying that she gives the Police Department credit because when they are on Macon Road they will get them, saying they mess up their driveway and as long as the city kept putting gravel in her driveway she was good with that. Mayor Horne said that was the first time she has heard a citizens say anything about that, and if they are coming down there through that way, please call the police, she said she would.

 

Motion to adjourn was made by Thorpe, seconded by Scott, no opposition, motion carried.

 

 

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Mayor Horne called meeting to order, led in prayer by Council Member Eugene Moore.

 

Present were: Mayor Vicki Horne, Mayor Pro-tem Rico Myrick, Council members Eugene Moore, Katherine Scott, Ahmad Thorpe, Absent was Council member Deborah Osborne, also present were City Attorney David McRee, City Clerk Pamela Roberts, and Chief of Police Wayne Amerson.

 

Motion to approve the minutes from the August 7th, 2017 meeting was made by Thorpe seconded by Myrick, no opposition, motion carried.

 

Agenda Presented no New Business.

 

Agenda Presented no Old Business.

 

Mayor Horne welcomed Chris Poje an engineer with G. Ben Turnip Seed, who presented council with information about potential cost savings for the sewage system. Poje said what he has done is put together some thoughts on how the city may go forward with the sewage system, saying not just by tweaking what you have but come up with some ideas, to come up with something that might work financially for the city, that might work for as how the service is delivered to the customers and make it a viable project for McIntyre, and just as important as getting a viable sewer system out of the project and when it’s done he wanted the city to have a path to recover some of the monies the city has paid out for the system.  Poje noted that his firm has done some water and drainage work for the City of Irwinton but also designed a handful of sewer systems from the very start for those who didn’t have system connecting them to a system nearby or developing their own collection/treatment systems, saying they have done this before and have worked closely with USDA , saying the last city they worked with on design of a sewer system , had actually gotten pulled in on a system that had been started about ten years and hadn’t really gotten anywhere either and USDA pulled them in, was Walthourville, outside of Hinesville, close to Fort Stewart, saying that they took them through 3 phases of construction and customers little by little working in their financial constraints and now that system is completely up and running saying that he thought Mayor Daisy Cray would be a great reference for them too, saying that he says all this to say he knew the city got started about 7-8 years ago with this whole process saying  that the city has gone through all the hard part,  all the buy in all the understanding of what the citizens needs are what they can afford, the underwriting with USDA, and given the way the bids came in, like he said at a commissioners meeting getting their input on this, knowing and working a lot with USDA, working a lot with Rural Development understanding the constraints on the grant program and how it works with their loan program, saying he has worked a lot with Quinten Robinson when he was state director, saying that he was the one that actually brought them to Irwinton and probably had a lot to do with the city getting funds, saying that he knew all the constraints  and what they can and can’t do in

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underwriting, saying the city has a great deal on the table as far as USDA, saying the city had a great deal of grant money compared to other cities, that someone did the city right, but at this point he really didn’t see a path forward to the city with the way it is, that if the only possible way to cover the cost overage is put rates on the table and increase them and if you keep doing that you would see the citizens sentiment turn against the project regardless of how bad they need it saying some people just can’t afford it. Poje shared with council some things he did several months ago, saying that the idea that if McIntyre had a collection system that served the citizens that were in the core, and Irwinton had a collection system, and Toomsboro got on board and had their own collection system, without anyone building their own treatment system, saying that the city had a little over 4 million allocated for the collection of the entire budget, so if everybody didn’t have that 4 million dollar cost but instead a common treatment plant and let another entity, noting that at the time he didn’t think they had discovered the Wilkinson County Water/Sewer Authority already existed and put in effect by the legislature back in the 1990’s, saying that he thought if you let another entity provide treatment then that that would take a lot of the initial construction burden off the cities, not just McIntyre but the other two cities that haven’t started down this road, noting that another thing they could do, and he has talked with Kathy Ross about whether or not this is a plan they could get behind, saying they would obviously want more information before they get behind the project and start talking details, saying that there was a certain amount of grant capacity  that they will provide to McIntyre to build the sewage system, saying that Irwinton and Toomsboro also have a certain amount of grant capacity,  and the Wilkinson County Water/Sewer Authority could have their own grant capacity, saying instead of paying dollar for dollar the City to build a treatment plant instead turn that into operating cost and just pay every thousand gallons you send down the pipe to the Wilkinson County Authority, saying instead of them having to borrow 4-5 million outright maybe they could get the same kind of deal McIntyre got saying he didn’t know the cost of their treatment plant, but perhaps they get a 50% grant 50% loan and that keeps everyone’s treatment cost lower too, saying that if you put the entire financial model together  the finance level would be lower, meaning using less money than you did to start with the project, and Wilkinson County can treat it potentially for less than McIntyre could have because now you have three communities coming together and you have a bigger volume of users which lowers your cost saying that he went one step further saying he did it under Irwinton’s name because it was the only city that has so far bought into the idea, but went to EPA and asked instead of doing a Land Application System and finding a half of million dollar piece of property and pumping it half way out of town to get a wastewater treatment system, would you let them treat everything and do a direct discharge into commissioner creek, saying that he would have expected it to be a tough request for them to fulfill but they got back with him within under two months saying they would be glad for them to do that  saying that they looked at the overall drainage basin, instead of having to pump all the wastewater back up hill to the land application system, they figured out a way to turn the pipe another way, and lets largely go by gravity the way God designed the earth free basin in pipe, saying that he had a map he submitted too

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that had McIntyre’s waste water and Irwinton’s waste water and also Toomsboro’s waste water all going down in a common pipe all down to the Wilkinson County Treatment facility and they would meter what was going through there or the cities would meter it themselves and tell the authority and that’s how the treatment would get done saying the benefits with that , noting that the only hesitation the County had with the whole thing is that McIntyre is really running with the ball that they are spearheading, saying what they didn’t want to do is step in and say they are taking over, saying that he told them he didn’t think they would, that this would be a way to spread out the cost and for everyone to corporate and get what’s best for the county, saying that McIntyre’s collection system would be owned and operated by McIntyre and if they wanted to expand out to another area they wouldn’t have to ask anyone’s permission or get authority approval, and the City would be able to set their own rates, saying that it was not going to be one size fits all for the county system and likewise for the other cities, but there would be enough treatment capacity for all, saying you would have one operating treatment facility instead of three. Mayor Horne said that she was confused, saying that he said the county would have a centralized area and they would pay the county a fee to treat it, then on the other hand he said the cities would set their own rates,  Poje said that right now the way it was set it, if the project moved forward the way it was, the city would charge a fee to the customers, and included in that would be your debt service,  the collection of all the wastewater through the system and the treatment cost at the LAS,  saying that if you took those three components,  the treatment part of that would be a utility a bill, Mayor Horne said who would you pay that to, Poje said the Sewer Authority, but if you looked at your bill at three dollars a third of that would be for each city, instead of the City of McIntyre paying the whole three dollars, it would be divided. Mayor Horne asked Poje of all the things he has done so far, what was the cost for the customer here to pay to the county compared to what they were paying now with the current system,  Poje said he didn’t know what that cost would be right now, but it would be lower than the city would be paying with the current system because there would be three different cities paying the cost.  Mayor Horne said she still wanted to know what it is, Poje said and he didn’t expect any different, saying that where they were in the process,  noting that Toomsboro has not told them yeah go ahead, Irwinton has not told them to go ahead, and Wilkinson County has not told them, saying that McIntyre is the lead in this project, Mayor Horne said yes, but when sharing his ideas wouldn’t it be helpful to have that breakdown already, so that they would know what the cost would be, Poje said that it would be a lot of guess work right now, but could tell you that the cost of treatment typically per thousand gallons was 2-3 dollars per thousand, and that is usually what cities pay others to treat their wastewater, and that is less than the city will do it for if they pay for the 2 million dollar collection center, saying that his purpose was the city’s current situation what they got into about 8-9 years ago was they were going to have bills of 35 dollars on average, saying that if they go get the additional funds it’s going to be closer to 55, his purpose was to lay a plan to get it back to 35 or as close to it as he could. Poje said one of the things they did was that they took the construction drawings that the bids were taken on, made a reduced set of those and he and other engineers looked at them ,saying

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that he went as far as taking all the construction drawings and cut them apart like a jig saw puzzle and put them all together and figure out if there was a better way of doing it, and what they found out was that sewer lines as designed was pretty much right down the middle of the road regardless of what the grade is, and if you look at the bid tabulations you would see that there was a lot of sewer lines that were pretty deep that really drives the cost up and there was a lot of paving cost, saying there are some big pumping stations, some big force mains some big equipment to move the wastewater around town as it needs to be before it is pumped out to the treatment plant, saying that what he did was take that 11.3 million construction cost, saying that he had no intentions of redesigning the whole system, or making the city start over and no intentions of charging the city any upfront cost, saying that he knew the city didn’t have another dollar to throw at this thing and wouldn’t ask for it, saying that they went through the drawings with a fine tooth comb to a certain point, and asked what if we didn’t build the land application system, if you had another option, you wouldn’t have the debt, you wouldn’t have to hire an operator, you don’t have to operate the land application system, you don’t have the maintenance on it in the future, how much would that save in the initial construction cost, saying the answer is just a little bit over 4 million dollars, and that includes the 500,000 the city has paid for the land, so the construction cost straight up is about 3.5 million dollars, saying the other thing they looked at, showing council a design, and saying that the one thing you didn’t see on the map was the school, saying the school was so far out, saying that the schools and a couple of areas where the grinder pumps would cost more to add to the sewer system than they are going to help in the long run with the revenue, saying that he thought that they went out to find customers to make this project viable, saying that sometimes you spend a dollar to save a penny and felt that was the idea in the design, saying that you net about $800,000 in construction cost by not providing sewer to the schools and if you look at page two, they looked and said that if they realign line number 2 and replaced some of that 6 inch line they had run deep and flat, and replaced that with 8 inch line and took it another route the cost that it would cost and the amount you would save the bottom line would be just in the seven lines that he looked at, they squeezed another 350,000 out of the construction cost, saying that the city had a system design that was in a path of less resistance, kind of follow the ground and be shallow fall within the lay of the land and follows right down the middle of the roadway, goes up, goes low, to catch everything which made the line more expensive and also where the contractor had to repave everything, noting that paving was 60 dollars a foot whereas grassing was 3 dollars a foot, saying just take that line not redesigning too much, but just taking the line out of the middle of the road and moving it to the side, that would save almost 445,000 thousand dollars, and taking off pavement cost and adding on grass cost, shallower sewers, saying about 30 thousand in man hole covers, and then in fairness you’d say, if we make these shallower, what are  my additional cost, saying that you have one additional pumping station cost, saying you’re getting rid of a lot of pumping station, but you’ll put an additional pumping station on line two and saying that you put a lot of money in there for a pump station rather a force main so 1.1 million dollars to pump to Wilkinson County treatment plant., saying the net you may save

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4.6 million dollars, keeping in mind the 500,000 the city has paid, Mayor Horne said that wasn’t all the city has paid, that they’ve paid to run line down the railroad, and other stuff, right of ways. Mayor Horne said that she knew years ago when the city first set out to get sewage their goal was to pump into commissioner creek, and thought that they had it set that the city didn’t have to put the money up front, is why they had privy to their plans and they didn’t have the plans for that plan. McRee followed up with what the Mayor was saying, saying that Poje had referred to 7-8 years ago saying he thought it goes back several years beyond that and the initial plan was to build a plant and discharge into commissioner creek instead of a land application system, saying that he thought it took over a year to get a response back from the regulatory authorities on what it would take to get that permitted and when they finally got the response back they were going to require the city to purify almost to the point that you could drink it, saying supposedly they went in another direction, saying they said it was too costly and they needed to start at a land application system then took them probably 2-3 years for them to find a piece of land they could acquire to be suitable for land application system, saying the city went four-five years to decide to hatch the idea to acquiring the land, because it was going to be so costly to discharge into the creek, asking what has changed now to make it more affordable to discharge into the creek, Poje said probably several things, saying the political winds have changed from when in the nineties the state started forcing people to go to the land application systems, saying that he fought it at every way, saying to think about the water wars that age going on between states, they tell you out of one side of your mouth that you have to do a land application system then they tell you out of the other side of their mouth that there isn’t enough water in the stream, and all of that has come back to getting back into the stream and they are giving incentives for cities to get back into the stream, saying another thing now is that the cost of treatment has plummeted for some of these things, filters after everything has gone through aren’t very expensive any more so now everybody is doing it, saying it was something that has frustrated the consulting engineers community for years, and was surprised at how lenient the direct discharge permit for commissioner creek was, and thought the key to that was that they did their homework a little bit and a map he has showing the drainage basin of commissioner creek to the point of where they discharge is  191 square miles, saying it stretches long out of Wilkinson County but that is how much water comes through there, so more water is more dilution and less requirement for stringent treatment saying that purposely picked one that was on down the street saying that it wasn’t too far from the river where they are showing to put in, and that is where they are getting the idea for all three of them saying that if it was any further up say right outside of McIntyre’s city limits then Toomsboro and Irwinton would have to pump back up to it, whereas they are trying to go down with the natural contours of the land, saying you would still have to pump it but it would be gravity fed and they were trying to get as close to it as they could or by means of least resistant to get that water pushed downhill to the treatment plant, saying that it was true it use to take years to get a waste water allocation, but he went to EPD, met face to face with them and told them what the challengers were and he needed a response.  Poje said that the other thing he wanted to mention about these cost is that he

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felt like the unit prices, saying that they keep a data base when they take on a project and the unit prices for the City of McIntyre and he didn’t know why, perhaps it could have been what was going on in July of 2016, saying that he did all these cost evaluations for the city based on those unit prices not on what he thought they would be, which was probably a little lower, but the ones the city took in on bids, and what they didn’t change they left it in there the way it was, but that it could potentially change somewhat, saying that he didn’t put in a lot of work into removing all those grinder pumps, saying as a general philosophy they are against putting in grinder pumps, saying it was more of a cost to the citizens than the city, and the more moving parts you have going the more things can go wrong, and more of things that will go wrong., saying your customers end up having higher power bills and something else they have to worry about out in the yard, so if they can figure out a way to do it all gravity sewer, then that’s what they’ll do. Poje said if this is something the city would like to move forward with, or take a further look, they could pull some hard numbers together, and if the other communities are in, they can start pulling in some bigger budgets and give everybody an idea and he could get back and contact USDA and talk with Kathy Ross, saying that they were not the city’s engineer and he did not go to anybody and talk with anybody about the financials of this project, saying that he didn’t think that was his business at this point, that he just wanted to offer the city an idea and try to help to work out the project, saying that after a couple of years there could be a sewer system in place for McIntyre, Irwinton and Toomsboro and have some capacity built up in the county so others could look at it and say we can do this. Moore asked Poje if he was suggesting that McIntyre not service the school.  Poje said that if the buck and gravity is a long ways away he thought they could work that out financially where it  made sense saying that there was a part of an equation that determines how much debt the city can service and imagined with the school paying and the revenue the school is paying to the city that rate is how much debt the city could handle and it might be that it is stretched out so far that when you figure out the operation and maintenance cost  and literary there are two pump stations that service the school, that they don’t pick up any other customers and stretching all the way out there, saying that initially he was suggesting yes, and if it turns out they can service some other customers over there or some mechanical ways to beat gravity and do it at a lower cost to the city, then it might change the route coming back up to the collection system and it may change too if they aren’t going to the land application system but instead going that way with the overall flow going to the centralized treatment plant.  Poje said that if they weren’t in the overall equation for the city they would work with the financials so they wouldn’t have to be a part of it to make it work, saying they couldn’t take the cost out without taking out the revenue too, saying he understood that. Moore said that the school was about 45% of it.  Poje said yes and you figure, Moore said that he was talking about the revenue from the school system was about 45/40% of the gross revenue. Poje said that was a good reason and probably about 10% of the construction cost, that it might be the reason to try and include that in there. Moore said he didn’t think they would be where they are today had the city not included the school system.  Poje said right, and honestly thought you would have to go back and look at some of the areas where

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you’ve got low long pressure lines, grinder pumps run out trying to gather customers for numbers without gathering construction cost. Moore said that he thought that was because they were on McIntyre water. Poje said ideally what you would do is go back and look at a couple of phases of community block grants and add those in blocks all into the main system once that takes place, and he would do the first CDBG to abandon everyone’s septic systems, Moore and Mayor Horne said that was already included in the cost. Poje said that it was included in the USDA cost, but what he’s saying is take that out, and that would be another cost saving method, taking that out and do that with grant money rather than have a local match like they normally do, saying that CDBG were at $750,000 and rather than have a local match and instead of trying to match that money on top of everything else take the USDA monies and say this is our entire match, saying they have done that successfully every where they’ve put in sewer systems.  Moore said that he thought they replaced everything with PVC pipe. Poje said not everything, saying what they did is where, and if you look really close into the drawings you have a long PVC line and where it gets real deep you have to change to duct liners because PVC doesn’t bury very well at 20 feet, saying that if he was able to get it back up to 8 or 12 feet he didn’t need the duct liners to bury it in, saying that there is other duct liner whether it’s a shallow line or going through a casing or closer to the creek where you  need some restraining joint  or something but there was still plenty of that pipe in there, then again the project had 34 lines or something like that in the plans but he only went through 8 of them in great detail saying there is probably additional savings to be squeezed out of there if need be. Poje said saying all this the only reason he was here tonight was because of him looking at it with an outside prospective,  saying he didn’t think there was a clear path for the city to just go back to USDA asking to give us more money and the city will charge everyone a little more, saying that he was there at no cost and just because they were real interested in working in this county and this community to give some ideas to move ahead and if that is pulling back a little bit and saying let’s explore this county water and sewer authority a little more, saying that McIntyre will have somebody sitting on the board as it is envisioned, saying it wasn’t a county thing that each city puts in a representative, and the county puts in a representative and that makes up the board that directs what they do and the cities would have some leverage on what the rates are and it’s not a for profit entity the way it is set up but it does give you another option to take some of these capital cost off the table and turn them into operating cost, and bring in some other entities that can infuse some grant money  in the whole thing and keep everybody’s rates low and if that was something they wanted to move ahead with or discuss that he would be happy to come back and talk with them more about it in detail. Moore asked what kind of attitude did the county commissioners have toward this, Poje said that they wanted to make sure it was clear, Moore said that he was on the authority before and county commissioners didn’t support them.  Mayor Bacon said that has changed somewhat, Moore said that you still had three of the county commission that are still on there. Bacon said that a lot of it had to do with the approach, saying his understanding is that without naming names the county would go along with it but there again it is going to depend on how well Toomsboro, McIntyre and Irwinton can proceed

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with an overall project and the way that he was looking at it is, just saying if Irwinton and Toomsboro weren’t interested in it at all, what is McIntyre going to do next, saying on the other hand if Toomsboro and Irwinton wants to join in and enter into a system that will make it affordable for the population in Irwinton, Toomsboro and McIntyre with the county getting involved with the treatment plant then he thought it would be a viable way of doing it, saying that Irwinton couldn’t do this alone, Toomsboro couldn’t, noting that they could try to do it the same as McIntyre, but thought if it was going to be successful sewage authority it was going to take all three, saying years ago things were different now let’s hope that things have changed for the better, Moore asked how long did Bacon think it would take the City of Irwinton to get where the City of McIntyre was, Bacon said that he had no idea, Moore asked how long would it take for the county and the authority to move on the treatment plant. Bacon said the idea would be to put a board of people together that agree and want to move forward, saying you couldn’t get a board of people together that are disagreeing, that you were going to have to find people that want to move forward, saying that if you get those people on board and it will move forward. Moore said that one thing about the board is that no elected official can serve on it, Bacon said that they are going to change that, saying that he talked with Bubber Epps about that the other day, saying they couldn’t change it until legislature goes into session, however he did have a suggestion from someone who suggested they go ahead and set a board with the understanding that once it got changed they could adapt the board to those changes., and he thought it was important to have elected officials sit on the board and that was the first thing that he asked once he read where no elected official could serve saying that they have to change that, and in 2017 those of them that want things to move forward adapt to the board, saying they saw what didn’t work, and learn from that, but it was going to take all of the county and municipalities corporation to do it, and thinks that is one of the things McIntyre needs to think about, once McIntyre has given it some thought and decides which way to go with this thing, either go it alone and see how it goes, because if McIntyre decides to go alone then there was no need for Irwinton and Toomsboro to proceed, but if McIntyre decides to work within some new engineering constraints it is viable, but nothing was viable until you get some money for it, and nothing is viable until you get the authority worked out, nothing is viable until you get the money and engineering in the whole thing, saying that it is all in the beginning but asked what it would hurt to get an authority in place and move forward, then it’s just a matter of engineering money and legalities.  Mayor Horne asked if the City of McIntyre buys into this and they get the authority, saying where they are right now, McIntyre has it’s grant money, asking how long would it take to get this project where McIntyre is, saying that Irwinton and Toomsboro has to play catch up asking did McIntyre have to wait on them or wait on the county.  Poje said yes, but the City of McIntyre would be first, saying that the way he had this scheduled, and the way he thinks it is going to work with the funding agencies and the EPD, McIntyre will have to wait for them to pass certain thresholds of approval for McIntyre to say they aren’t doing a wastewater plant anymore that they had to know the county had funding for a treatment plant and that’s going to take some time, and cutting to the chase July 3rd 2020 is what day he has projected out for the first day

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that will be treated from McIntyre down there, and McIntyre will be the first collection system that is constructed and put in operation, saying you were still talking three years but that if they get 2 out of the 3 communities kind of at a go or no go point, funding applications for the authority, then Toomsboro and Irwinton, then you’re talking about April of next year that they will be able to totally estimate the treatment cost and get an idea on what everybody’s bills would be because they are going to know what kind of loan and grant they’ve been offered, essentially what everyone’s construction cost will be, saying he didn’t know what everybody’s construction cost is going to be yet or what the land is going to cost to put a treatment plant in Toomsboro. Mayor Horne asked who was to say Toomsboro or Irwinton could get grant money because of the competitiveness of the grant programs, Poje said that USDA ultimately says that they qualify for it demographically and because of a matter of need, saying that they have never had any clients that go through the process then at the end USDA says you’re not getting any grant money even though you deserve it, or qualify for it, saying that they may say you’re not getting money this year, and have to wait till next October, or until the next resolution but they never just come and tell them you’re not getting any, Mayor Horne said the she meant it that way, not saying they weren’t going to get it at some point, saying her point is will McIntyre still have to sit and wait for them, for the county to do whatever they need to do, asking how was the county going to finance their part, Poje said the same, that they would go to the same bucket, Mayor Horne asked what were the chances of the Authority for the county, Toomsboro and Irwinton getting a grant all at the same time, Poje said probably to get the amount of grant they qualify for is low, but you would be able to get two done one year and two done the next year, saying that USDA typically funds 10-12 projects a year based on the list he sees and what they are going through and they’ve gotten 3,4,5 every year so he kind of knows what they give out saying that they just went through a process where they pooled all the money they hadn’t used in the national pool and all the projects that are still needing money are throwing money back out. Bacon asked Poje in his experience in all the projects going on where would Toomsboro, Irwinton, and McIntyre project fit in with how USDA looks at projects of this sort, Poje said it was pretty high because they’ve got money invested with McIntyre, time invested with McIntyre and if they feel like these others are contingent upon McIntyre’s success it kind of all duct tails together making them more interested in it, and something to be said for them making a big enough difference somewhere  it can be measured, having three communities with new sewage systems they wouldn’t have without USDA is a big thing for them.  Bacon asked if the strength of a good board, Poje said that wouldn’t play into it much, what would play into it is the median household income, the lack of sewer system, public health issues, failing septic tanks, things like that, regionalization is always a big thing and it will be with some of these other grant programs too that they will look at to fill in some gaps saying those are all positives. Mayor Horne asked if there were any other questions, Roberts asked Poje what his opinion was about the City having the funds for the project through USDA and the School having to be part of it, if they turned the project a bit and use the funding for what the city needs and it not penalize the city in some way. Poje said what you have right now is a letter of condition, saying it was kind of a law that

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USDA and the city council work within, saying you had legal requirements, engineering requirements and a bunch of other administrative stuff, saying that one of those requirements is you’ve got to serve the school system, you’ve have to have this many users, and if you don’t have that many and can’t certify that much then they are not going to give you all that loan money but he had a bar on his project schedule where it reads rework McIntyre’s financing options with USDA that he was projecting they start next May, saying once they had the details from the others and know how all this is going to fit together, that’s when they would sit down with Kathy and say we don’t want two miles of grinder pumps in a low pressure sewer and knock off 16 customers down there, they are going to knock off this and that making it more viable, more centralized and then do an evaluation of the school system, saying his hunch was that they would be cut out of the project but if they’re 40% of the revenue of the project his opinion would be wrong and have to put that right back in, Roberts said that if you reduced the cost of the project, you wouldn’t have to have that many users to pay the debt, Poje said that he agreed 100% but his only concern with that is if even the quick and dirty reduction he has done on the oblivious things they could do only get’s you back to your original budget was, saying he didn’t know if you could drop your rates on the work they have done so far saying he thought it was going to take more work, Roberts said the rate could possible stay the same with less users, because you have a smaller service area, and you don’t have the debt you had before, Poje said that is why they would start using the CDBG at no or low cost to add customers to the base project, so you could add revenue without the debt.  Bacon asked McIntyre how often McIntyre could apply for grants. Mayor Horne said the lady from DCA said you could do it yearly, that she had also said we could use grants for things to help with the cost, but you had to have something in place first before you could apply.  Mayor Horne thank Poje for coming.

 

Mayor Horne asked Bacon if he has talked with his people about the customers, Bacon said the 9 on Macon Road, he said he didn’t believe there would be a problem with that, but he hasn’t put any figures together yet, saying he would try to do that by the end of next week, but knew there was some cost involved, since they have put the new meters in, but as far as Irwinton themselves would be fine with that. McRee said that one thing they needed to do saying it was part of the Service Delivery Strategy on who serviced that area, and the RC services the SDS agreement, the cities would need to get with them and have them amend the SDS to reflect the change over for those customers. Bacon said that he has talked that over, and thought at this point it was just a matter of agreeing on the cost.

 

Roberts said there was one thing under the old business concerning the ATV ordinance, and McRee did bring it back with one change to it, Roberts read the change found on page 3 item 6. Roberts asked McRee if as long as they stay off the pavement, McRee said anything used for travel, saying from the consensus he heard two weeks ago was is let them ride them anyplace as long as they stay out of the road and that’s what he changed; now it restricts them from being in the road. Roberts said that was the

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change and it could be introduced tonight and voted on at the next meeting. Mayor said Ok, Roberts asked if that was an introduction, Mayor Horne said yes and asked if there was any discussion.  Scott said that she didn’t have anything; Moore said that his neighbors and everybody up there really feel like the ordinance written like it is has really improved their situation with the noise level and everything they were putting up with up there, and would hope that they would reconsider and keep it like it is.

Moore said that if he heard Amerson right, he wouldn’t have any control over them if they are not on the road, but if they are on the side he couldn’t do anything. Amerson said right, McRee said that there were other things in the ordinance that they can’t do, but essentially as long as they are complying with everything. Amerson said that he just wanted everybody to be clear saying the majority of the problems they were having didn’t involvethem being in the roadway, but on the side of the roads, saying he didn’t have a problem with them trying this if this is what they wanted to do, and he would give them the benefit of the doubt, but he honestly believed that it was opening the door for more problems, saying again the majority of the problems wasn’t coming from them riding on the road, some was, but they would come up Old McIntyre Road way to fast and without them being them in the roadway he was going to have a hard time enforcing it, Mayor Horne asked who was going to advertise the change, Roberts said that she thought it already has been, Amerson said if they want to try this they can, Mayor Horne asked Amerson that if he had someone racing fast , even on the right-a-way, you can’t fine them.  McRee said that there are some other things in there they can’t do. Mayor Horne said she just didn’t see why you could ticket someone if they are driving recklessly, saying that you can even arrest a drunk man on a bicycle, Roberts said that it was in there on page 2 two “in a manner as to careless, reckless or negligent manner or heedlessly in disregard of the rights or safety of others, or in a manner as to endanger, or be likely to endanger, or cause injury or damage to any person or property.”  McRee said that in the right-a-way Police could enforce the ordinance. Roberts said that loud noise was also in the ordinance, Moore said he knew, and that it had the 200 feet and everything else in it, but the ones he’s talking about he can hear a ¼ mile, Mayor Horne said that if it’s an issue with noise it still falls under the city’s noise ordinance.

 

Thorpe introduced ATV ordinance with the modified changes to it.

 

Roberts said she needed permission to order a time clock, saying that they have ordered two, both of them the time went crazy on them, saying that they were both suppose to be new, but the company that made them are no longer in business, saying that the one they have now jumps time, saying that they’ll come in to work at 8 and the clock will read 11 or the year 2009, saying that they called the company and they will either replace that one or give the city the money back and we told them to give the money back because undoubtedly they are refurbished time clocks and selling them as new one, saying they need one for city hall, or how did they want them to keep time, saying the other one was aroung 350.00 but this one is going to be close to 500, Myrick said that the office needed it. Roberts said

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that they had taken the one at city hall to public works and replaced the new one because they thought it might have been something they did, but it wasn’t and replaced the clock with a new one and it did the same thing. Myrick asked Roberts if she was getting it from the same company, Roberts said no, that it was actually Miles, the company that does the city’s copiers sell them, Mayor Horne asked if the needed one or two, Roberts said one right now.

 

Motion to get new time clock was made by Scott, seconded by Thorpe, no opposition, motion carried.

 

Roberts informed Mayor Horne that Rindt-McDuff had called wanting to know when there was a good time for her to meet with them and USDA. Mayor Horne asked what they were trying to discuss, Roberts said she thought it may be about increasing the loans. Mayor Horne said it doesn’t matter as long as it was in the day time. Scott said they are going to charge us, Mayor Horne said they could do a teleconference, Scott said it doesn’t matter they are still going to charge us, Mayor Horne said it didn’t matter, but they would contact them, Moore said they had three dates, with two of them already passed, the only one left was the 23rd. Mayor Horne asked the 23rd at what time, Moore said there is not time, but they were dates that he thought that Kathy would be available. Mayor Horne said to let her know. Mayor Horne said to let everyone know, that she didn’t want to be the only set of ears.

 

Roberts reported that Gallaher Basset said that to repair the bush cutter was going to be around $4,000, and insurance was going to pay for it, but they were going to try and get their insurance to pay for it. Moore said on that same subject, that he worked on that last week and they came up with about $5,000, saying the final drive assembly, to replace with used is $3,900 then freight to get it here would be around 600-700, but might run into some other things. Moore said that if you don’t fix it, it was junk, that you wouldn’t get anything for it, Myrick asked didn’t the city pay about $7,000 for it, Moore said $10,000, and did about $5,000 worth of work to it last year. Moore said that if we can get some money from insurance and fix it for $5,000 that would help.  Scott asked who would fix it, Moore said Brian McCoy, Scott ask who he was, Moore said that he’s worked with several in the county, Myrick said that he was good, Myrick asked about the transmission, Moore said he didn’t know, that there could be more, but they would have to take it apart to see.

 

Motion to get bush hog repaired was made by Scott, seconded by Thorpe, no opposition, motion carried.

 

Moore said that Colby Williams had turned in his notice last Wednesday and his last day will be September 4th, Mayor Horne asked what were they going to do about that, Moore said that he was going to make it work with the two, Mayor Horne said thank you and that was going to be her answer and the water department can help pick up some of that work.

 

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No reports from Scott, Thorpe, or Myrick.

 

McRee said he had a couple of things that just came to mind when they were talking about reading the meters, asking have they looked into electronic meter reading replacement, saying that there was some initial upfront cost with it, saying that they have talked with the county and city in Milledgeville, saying they could sit in city hall and read them, and save the city some time, Mayor Horne said they have talked to someone about that, McRee said that would free up your man power to do other things, or free up your man power.

 

McRee asked if council was going to postpone or cancel the next meeting since if fell on Labor day.

 

Motion to cancel the first meeting in September was made by Scott, seconded by Myrick, no opposition, motion carried.

 

Mayor Horne said that she had the clerk working on getting an appointment set up with the Governor’s office to discuss additional funding for the sewer project and asking everyone to keep in mind what they may want to do about it, the school system, and that her concern was with the grant money, and the possibility of them asking for it back, saying that if they don’t buy into the idea of authority, will they take the money back, saying that she had some issues with this, but wants to do what is best for the community.

 

Moore asked about the millage rate, Roberts said that she has not received the information from Vanessa on the 5 year history. Mayor Horne asked was there a break down, Roberts said that the last time she talked with Vanessa she was told that if the city went up a whole mil, then there would be an increase of about 45,000, but then again it will be based on the appraised values of this year. Mayor Horne asked council what they wanted to do, Scott said they were going to increase it a mil anyway, Roberts said she didn’t know, they really hadn’t discussed it, saying the last time she brought it up Mayor Horne wanted to see the 5 year history. Roberts said that she could call her again in the morning, McRee said that if you increase you would have to hold the hearings, Roberts said you, that you could hold two in the same day, but the third would have to later on.

 

Motion to adjourn was made by Scott, seconded by Thorpe, no opposition, motion carried.

 

_______________________________Mayor ____________________________Attest   ________2017

 

 

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Mayor Horne called meeting to order, led in prayer by Council member Eugene Moore.

 

Present were: Mayor Vicki Horne, Mayor Pro-tem Rico Myrick, Council members Katherine Scott, Deborah Osborne, and Ahmad Thorpe, also present were City Clerk Pamela Roberts, City Attorney David McRee, and Chief of Police Wayne Amerson.

 

Agenda Presented New Business As:

 

  1. Charlie Billue
  2. Review of ATV Ordinance – Ahmad Thorpe
  3. Anthony Pitts

 

Agenda Presented No Old Business:

 

Motion to accept the July 17th, 2017 council minutes was made by Thorpe, seconded by Osborne, no opposition, motion carried.

 

Mayor Horne addressed Charlie Billue, who said that he wanted his place open from around 4 until 9, no DJ’s a party maybe here and there, saying that he wants his friends to come by, saying he wanted Wayne to come by, but he’s trying to fix it so Wayne doesn’t have to come by Scott asked if it would be just during the week and Saturday, asking Billue if he was planning on renting it to anybody, Charlie said for parties, Scott said she was talking about with DJ’s and stuff, Billue said no, Mayor Horne said that he could have parties now, saying that they approved the business license but didn’t approve the Beer and Wine License. Billue said he wanted it for himself, for his friends his retired people, Mayor Horne said what part didn’t he have the liquor license, Roberts said he didn’t have the Beer and Wine License, Scott said that they would talk about it but if they had to call the police out there on him with all that loud music, Billue said there wouldn’t be loud music, that he didn’t like loud music, Scott said that if they do, they could take the license. Annie B. Mullins asked if she could ask a question, saying that if Lee had a DJ out there and he’s down there and they call and complain, and everyone knew who they were, and the police get out there and they don’t hear anything, then get called again by the same person, asking why come the police couldn’t give them a ticket or something

 

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for harassing phone calls. Scott said that they’ve been through that saying that if he’s going to have a DJ out there; they’re not going to give the license. Amerson said that he talked with Billue last week. Scott asked Amerson how he felt, Amerson said from what he is talking about he didn’t have a problem with, but he had a problem with it being a night club situation, the late Friday and Saturday night with the DJ’ s is where they run into all the problems, but he assured him that that the city won’t run into the same problem they had last time, saying that it was a night club atmosphere out there, and no they didn’t hear loud music every time they went out there, but it ties the police department up so much when they have to run back and forth out there for loud music calls. Scott asked how many times would it take them running back and forth before they closed them down, Amerson said that was up to council, Scott said one time, Amerson said it was up to them, or whatever the ordinance said. Mayor Horne asked McRee what their legal stand was on all this. McRee said that there wasn’t a set certain of times in the ordinance. Scott asked if a motion could be made after two times, McRee asked if she was asking that at that point of time could you make a motion to pull it, Scott said now, or did they have to wait until then. McRee said that for right now you are talking about re-opening the issue of the license. Billue asked what would happen if he called two or three times, asking if it would count against him. Amerson said that anytime he called them they would be glad to come out there and assist but he was going to have to keep charge of his premises that Billue was in charge of it, saying you had to keep the minors out of there, that was Billues job not his, that he has the license and it was his responsibility, and if he asked them to leave, and they didn’t then the Police could come out there and get them to leave but it was ultimately Billue’s responsibility to keep control of his place, even if he rents it out to someone, forewarning him that if he gets his beer and wine license and he rents it out to someone that has a party and they are back there serving Billue’s alcohol, that Billue was going to be the one that gets in trouble for it, asking him to keep that in mind, saying that if you do rent it out for a private party they can’t be serving Billue’s alcohol.

 

Mayor Horne asked if Billue had run his advertisement and all, Roberts said that he has done all the paper work. Mayor Horne said then council needed to decide if they were going to extend him the license.

 

 

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Scott said that if he does what he says he is going to do, that she makes a motion that they give them to him, and if he doesn’t do like he says he is then they take care of it then, seconded by Thorpe, voting for the motion were Thorpe, Myrick and Scott opposing the motion were Moore and Osborne, motion carried.

 

Billue said that it was almost the end of the year, Mayor Horne asked what did that mean, Roberts explained that they are renewable every January 1st, and it doesn’t matter when you get them, Mayor Horne said she got that, but she was trying to figure out what he was saying, Roberts said that is what he is saying, that it is so far into the year, Mayor Horne said then he may need to wait until next year, telling Billue it was his call, Billue asked if they could pro-rate it, Mayor Horne said no, no pro-rating and that they were going to move on, asking Billue if he had anything else.

 

Mayor Horne addressed agenda noting that Thorpe had on the agenda to review the ATV ordinance, asking him if they could wait until later on. Thorpe said yes.

 

Mayor Horne addressed agenda asking Anthony Pitts what he wanted to say, Pitts said he was there to listen, Mayor Horne said he was on the agenda, Pitts said he didn’t want to be on the agenda. Roberts apologized for putting him on the agenda saying she thought he had asked to be put on it.

 

Reports:

 

Moore reported a number of places where the weeds and grass have grown up and they need to send out letters or send Officer Hughes to talk to the to get the weeds and grass cut. Mayor Horne said there was a place on Vinson, Moore said yes, Mayor Horne said they sent a letter last time and they came out and cut it, Moore said yes, Mayor Horne asked Roberts if they could send letters Roberts said yes. Moore noted Jerome Angles on Macon Road, said he must have started a Junk Yard, and it doesn’t look good from the Road, also noting Harry Lord from Laurens County, noting two places on Pine Circle owned by Ed Shaugher, noting one was occupied and one unoccupied but both were grown up, then there was two vacant house at the corner of Vinson Road and New street that are grown up, saying that the old shed owned by Harvey Curry where they have the car wash is unsafe and would like it taken down, but the

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main complaints he gets is the old drug store noting the poison ivy that grows from the ground to the top of the building and the gutters are full of grass and limbs and trees, saying they have sprayed ground zero and if should keep it from growing back, noting Earl Veal needs to clean up, Amerson said that he was making progress, saying he talked to him last week about it, and he promised he was, Moore said yes he promises him also. Moore said he has gotten a lot of inquires about the old jail, and what the city intended to do about it. Moore said that he didn’t have any plans for it. Mayor Horne said about everything they have had historically negative or not has been torn down, noting the Railroad Depot, Moore said about the only thing left was Gary Snow’s old building. Ms. Martin asked what do you do about it, is it the city’s responsibility, Moore said Jail, Martin said no the houses, Moore said that they sent letters out last year, Scott said Martin asked if it was the city’s responsibility, Moore said the city has not taken responsibility to clean them up, and if they did do that he thought the city should take a lien on the property to get their money back. Martin said that if they live here they should be responsible for it. Mayor Horne said to send them another letter because some did respond and if they don’t maybe the city could at least cut the grass in the front, McRee said they can’t get off of the right-of-way, noting that if there were some health hazard you might could do something. Mayor Horne said that they looked bad being so close to the street. McRee said to let him know if they don’t respond and he can look at the ordinance, Moore said they had a nuisance ordinance that went into effect in 2004/05.

 

Scott gave the finance report noting that they had 1,069,533.31 in LGIP, 38,732.77 in SPLOST, and 26,356.99 in General Fund.

 

Osborne had no report.

 

Thorpe asked if there was anything they could send out to the citizens that explains what the ATV ordinance is, saying that there seems to be some confusion on the verbiage of the ordinance. Mayor Horne asked how are you going to know what they are looking for, saying that she has asked them to come and address their concerns, but even if you gave them a copy of the ordinance you still wouldn’t know what their concerns are unless they come and address them, saying that she did have one concern for herself saying that they can’t get on the right-of-way, saying that they have to go from point a to b, but they can’t get on the right-of-way to get where they are going, saying they had to pull it on a trailer, saying that Dupree had some

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concerns saying that he would move his charity event out of the county because he misconstrued, not totally, that they thought the ordinance was county wide, and she asked them to come to the meeting, but the ordinance says they can have a charity event but they would get with Wayne and it can be done, but no one showed up, saying half the ones that have concerns don’t stay in McIntyre. Mayor Horne noted a citizen on 8th street that has concerns, that he’s a citizen and he didn’t show up, so how do you address the issues, and that it was only a few that made it bad for everyone else, but she did think they needed to look at people being able to get somewhere, get in the right-of-way, so they would have some way to get there without having their vehicle taken from them, or the police stopping them, but did think they needed all their helmets and stuff.  Moore said that he thought they did more damage on the side of the road than they did on the road, Mayor Horne said yes, but how do they get somewhere, Moore said before when they thought they were fine riding on the shoulder of the road, but they are doing more damage on the shoulder than they do riding in the middle of the road. Mayor Horne asked how did it get fixed, if they are riding to point a to b, saying some people don’t have trailers. Moore said that most of the ones causing the problems don’t live in the city limits of McIntyre, Mayor Horne said she knew, but again how do you fix it so that they get where they are going. Osborne said that she didn’t want them riding up and down Macon Road running 90 to nothing like they do. Mayor Horne said that they don’t come out of McIntyre, that would be a county thing, Osborne said not there in front of Mr. Moore’s House and hers, Mayor Horne said yes but it was still a county thing, Moore said they are coming from Asbell Road, and turn going toward the school, saying he’s seen very few come toward McIntyre. Mayor Horne said that is what she is talking about but they do have some that cause issues, and have asked Wayne how they could fix it, asking McRee how they could fix it to make sure that they don’t get a ticket and they can get back to where they come from. McRee said that if you start punching holes in it then it loses its teeth in what problems you want it to stop, saying you couldn’t say alright you can go from here to here without somebody else saying why can they do that then why can’t I do this, saying that you are going to have to have it or not have it. Mayor Horne said that she gets that, but people need to be allowed to get where they need to go, saying they can’t get on the shoulder, McRee said they are only suppose to ride them where they are, either on their own place or if they are going to someone else’s place they either need to load it up in the back of a pickup truck or in a trailer, they aren’t suppose to drive them up and down the road, it’s not suppose to be a vehicle to get from one place to another, they are suppose to be used for a specific purpose at a location where they

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are using them at. Mayor Horne said she gets that, but it doesn’t work that way sometime, Ms. Martin said it should, Mayor Horne said but it don’t saying they have been out a long time, and that they are in a country, McRee said it is what they want, Mayor Horne said she didn’t say anything when they voted but she had reservations, but she didn’t know it was that type as far as they can’t be on the right-of-way or side walk which she knew wasn’t right either, McRee said it was up to them, if they want to make some changes to it, then they can make changes. Thorpe said that the point to getting from one point to another, saying that some of the citizens shared that concern, asking how could they justify if they want to go from one persons yard to another and the only way they can get to it was to ride on the side of the road and then they happen to be riding then they get penalized for riding there, saying there wasn’t too many places they could ride, saying that was the concern he had, saying they were specific in the lingo in the ordinance but at the same time it was so specific that it was going to limit them riding period, saying his suggestion was to look at it again, at the verbiage of it, and see what they can come up with because it’s like you have too many people that have ATV’s to ride them on their private party, asking McRee didn’t he say something about riding on private property, McRee said that you can’t ride them on anyone else’s private property but you could ride it on your own private property unless they get permission.  Amerson said to look at the safety issue, what is the very first thing they are they going to do when a kid gets hurt out there, they are going to point their finger at the city, asking why did they let them do it, and that was his only concern, saying they have let them do it for years but it has gotten to the point where it is a safety concern because you’ve got a select few, it’s a good hand full that is bound and determined they are going to do what they want to do and somebody is going to get killed, saying it has got to the point that when they try to stop and talk to them they are running from them on the four wheelers and he was not going to chase a child on a four wheeler because someone will get hurt and if you put them on the shoulder of road, unless parents or other people instead of fussing at the city for putting an ordinance out, fuss at the handful of people that are ruining it for everybody, it wasn’t the city, but those ones that are ruining it, and if you let them ride on the side of the road your responsible people are going to do what they are suppose to in the road as well as on the shoulder of the road, but those select few if you say ok you can ride it on the shoulder then they are going to go up through there tearing up the sides of the city’s roads causing ruts or hit someone coming out of a drive way or something like that, but it’s those 10 people that are ruining if for everybody, Thorpe asked could those ten people be issued citations, Osborne said you can’t catch them, Amerson said he can’t let one ride the

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side and not another. Thorpe said that he was asking a hypothetical question because his thing is you have 90 people on the hwy that speed all the time, so anyone who speeds gets a ticket or suppose to. Amerson said it was like Albert Nesbitt, saying that he has a UTC, not ATV, and he has everything a car has technically he is street legal, but that was the first thing they heard, was why could he ride his and they couldn’t, because he is street legal he has insurance, signals everything, just like a car and he was one that approached Amerson, but he couldn’t allow one to ride acting right, and one he knows wouldn’t be, then it would be why did you let him and not me, they have parents wanting to know why they are picking on their son, Amerson responds we’re not picking on your son, your son has been stopped six times for doing the same thing, you need to handle him at home, but they don’t do it, they point their fingers at the city instead of the kids that are doing it and not the ones that are causing the problem, it’s the city’s fault, not theirs so then it has to be an ordinance and put in place and then everyone’s upset about it but if those people that ride like they’re suppose to, like responsible adults would go upside those youngin’s head that are acting up it would stop, but they won’t do it, Mayor Horne said that most of the times it isn’t youngin’s, Amerson said he was talking about the age group 18-25, Osborne said then they haul those little kids on the back of them going 90 to nothing, no helmet no nothing, and if a truck pulls out in front of them or something, Mayor Horne said you didn’t have to convince her, saying she gets all of that, saying that she knows when someone gets hurt the city is going to be the first one to get why come the city didn’t do something, but her thing is, if someone is on the road will they allow them to get to where they need to be without the city taking their stuff, and another thing she is saying is before the city implements stuff they need to think things through because they have had people at the table say one thing then they do something else but what needs to be done is think about things before implementing them, then you have to go back and try to rework it, but she still thought that if you stop people their stuff doesn’t need to be taken and they should at least be allowed to get where they need to go, saying they buy these things and don’t have trailers to pull them and that was her feelings, Martin said then they don’t need to buy them, Mayor Horne said but they do, that they’ve been riding them around here for years and nobody bothered them and they have children piled up on them and she wasn’t the only one that has seen it. Amerson said as long as they have the ordinance he was going to have to enforce it on everyone because if he sees one riding acting responsible and does nothing then the next day he catches one acting up then he’s was going to get asked why come you didn’t do something to so and so, he was going to have to treat everyone the same, he would enforce the ordinance

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and if you change the ordinance he’ll enforce that one, but the way it stands now he wasn’t going to allow them to ride on the road period. McRee said his question was, is there three people at the table that want to change and if so what changes do they want to make. Myrick said he wanted it changed so that they can ride it on the side of the road if possible and if you catch them in the road you cite them, if you can catch them. Thorpe said that his thing was if it’s in the highway it’s a problem, but on the side of the road, saying that he never thought the ATV ordinance would be restricting the limitations on what they could do on the side of the road, Martin said he read it, Osborne said he read it,  Thorpe said no, Osborne said yes he had, Martin said he had it a month or so, Thorpe said no, as far as restricting on the side of the road, Osborne said no ATV on the road or the side of the road, Thorpe advised Osborne that she would have her opportunity, but as far as he was concerned you couldn’t tell him what he thought happened, and as far as this ordinance was concerned that was what he was talking about riding on the side of the road was unclear to him, and as far as telling him how he is thinking is one thing and he has a problem with that, and if someone has a concern about it you can speak their peace at this point but his thought is going to stand and he’s not going to change it because of them thinking he had a decision to make because of that and that’s where he is with that. Mayor Horne asked Moore of his thoughts, Moore said he liked it the way it is, Scott said that she thought it was a little strict, Osborne said it should stand they way it is. McRee said that he is hearing two saying they like it the way it is, three says they would like to see some changes, what would they be. Scott said that it was strict, but didn’t know how to come up with anything different. McRee asked what do you want to let them do. Myrick said that they have been riding on the side of the road for years but if you see them speeding write a citation. McRee said what he is hearing is that they can ride them on the side of the road but not in the road, Myrick said that is what he is saying. Mayor Horne asked what the state statue was; Amerson said that it covers the roadway. Amerson said that he had a four wheeler himself and he doesn’t have a problem with people riding them, but if you allow them to ride them on the side of the road he was not going to have any legal grounds, they could come down there running 90 miles per hour and he wouldn’t have any legal ground. Scott said that everyone knew they weren’t going to stay on the side of the road, Amerson said no they are not. Mayor Horne said that she didn’t want people to think that she was trying to get this twisted, what she was talking about is if you stop someone that doesn’t have a trailer that they should be allowed to get where they are going, that she was wasn’t talking about just free -wheeling riding on the right-of-way, Scott said but that is what they are talking about, Mayor Horne said yes and

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people was going to do it regardless, that people are still riding them, but that was what she was talking about, confiscating people’s stuff and things like that. Amerson said that they wouldn’t take their stuff, they would just write a ticket, Mayor Horne said that is not what she was told, she was told that one the of the officers stopped someone and told them that, Amerson said maybe after a certain number of times they may could do something, but didn’t know about confiscating a four wheeler, McRee said that it had been so long since he had written it asking if anyone had a copy. Mayor Horne said that her thing was to make sure people who have been out riding are allowed to get up the road, saying officers say whatever you have to say to them to shake them up, but she was saying that people shouldn’t get tickets and their stuff confiscated when they already know they’ve been out joyriding and they are trying to get back to where they came from. Amerson said he gets what she’s saying but the thing is that is what they were doing before hand, like from Asbell Rd. to Northwind, just coming to get through not just out riding, McRee noted that there was nothing in the ordinance about losing their property, saying it read any person violating the terms of this section shall be subject to a issuance of a citation and if proven guilty before a court or competent jurisdiction shall be subject to a fine up to $1,000, saying you can’t confiscate the property. Mayor Horne said then officers shouldn’t be telling people that. McRee said he is hearing that they can ride them on the side of the road, anything else, saying he would make these changes and send it back to the clerk, Martin asked Amerson if that was agreeable with him, Amerson said not really, because you are going to have the same problem he has now, saying the problem he has is not only people riding in the road but people riding on the side of the road like a bat out of you know where and if you allow them to ride on the side of the road he’s not going to have any legal recourse, and it doesn’t matter if they are riding 70 miles per hour there is nothing he’s going to be able to do. Mayor Horne said before the ordinance they put in place, they were able to stop them, Amerson said yes the ones riding in the roadway, but the ones on the side of the road they weren’t bothering, it was the ones on the roadway, saying he doesn’t have a problem with them riding in the roadway as long as they are doing it in a responsible manner, and that’s the problem they are  not going to do it in a responsible manner, he didn’t care if you allowed them to ride on the side of the road or in the road way they aren’t going to do it, saying that you had a handful that aren’t going to be responsible no matter if you have an ordinance or state law or anything else and that’s the ones they have to deal with, and he didn’t have an answer. Scott asked Amerson what he thought they needed to do, do they need to just enforce what they have but like Mayor Horne said if the police stop telling them that they were going to

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take their vehicle from them or they will call, saying that she has seen someone call a tow truck and pick one up. Amerson said that if they are doing certain things they have the legal right to tow them but they aren’t going to confiscate it just because they are riding it, but there are certain things they are doing they can have it towed, DUI, whether they are on the right-of-way or roadway, he can have them towed, saying he doesn’t have the answer, that it wasn’t everybody, that it was a group that was making a big mess for everybody, and the ones complaining are the ones they are having problems with, saying that he has tried for months to find a solution, they have talked with them, warned them, saying that he talked with Bud Dupree about it, saying that these teenagers and young guys looked up to him asking him to talk to them because they are going to ruin it for everybody, saying he told him up there one day when he caught two of them doing what they shouldn’t have been doing and he was up there and asked him to talk to them that they would listen to him more than they would him, but it didn’t work. Mayor Horne said that this wasn’t about Bud Dupree, because her nephew had one and he called her, because his mama is the one that wanted him to call her and she knew that he would be leaving her mama’s house or hers going home and he had concerns, saying that he doesn’t ride his anymore, saying Bud can have his event wherever he wants to and she told him that the other day, but no one wants to get educated, that she was talking about the few that do ride right. Amerson said he didn’t have an answer saying he tried to resolve it without it getting this far.  McRee said he would take a look at it, and see what he could change and get it back to them.

 

Myrick nor McRee had reports.

 

Roberts said that she did have one thing, saying that Gloria Moore on 441 has been in bad health for a very long time and how she’s made it this long she didn’t know, but her and her husband have been in Augusta for the last couple of months back and forth, and they had a leak and last month his bill was over two hundred, and they offered him the once a year disaster relief, but this month the water bill came out to be $586, Scott asked why didn’t they cut the water off, Roberts said that he’s been staying in Augusta and his daughter has been staying here and he called her and she told him she had fixed the leak, saying it was the hot water heater. Roberts said that when they saw this they went ahead and called Billy Moore and told him, and the city actually went out there and cut the water off because it wasn’t fixed and it was running about 26,000 gallons a water every other day, saying that he had called her and

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asked if there was anything we could do, he was told that since they did the disaster relief last month that the clerk could not offer another one but would take it to council and see if council was willing to do anything. Scott said that the city should be more particular about the water and that she knew there was a leak and should have to pay it. Mayor Horne asked if they could flip the cost, saying that Gloria was very sick. Roberts asked what she meant by flip, to offer them another discount, Mayor Horne said yes, saying that you never know when you may face hard times. Osborne asked if she meant flipping by switching the 200 for the 500, Mayor Horne said yes, and giving them time to pay. Moore said that he talked with him, and was told that he would not be able to pay all of it at one time. Motion to flip the bill for Gloria Moore and giving time to pay the balance in payments was made by Osborne, seconded by Scott, no opposition, motion carried.

 

Osborne asked if Roger Bacon has said anything about putting those on Macon Road on McIntyre Water. Mayor Horne asked McRee if he had heard from his people, McRee said that Bacon was at the last meeting, Mayor Horne said that he was going to get back with her, but she hasn’t heard from him. McRee said that they haven’t had a meeting since then. Mayor Horne asked if they could send him a letter, or she would call him, Martin said they had a meeting Tuesday night, Mayor Horne said that she would try to go over there.

 

Mayor Horne noted that everyone had a copy of the notice from Mayor Davidson from Allentown, saying that they had gotten a grant to house three firemen throughout the county, saying that she talked with Tommy Brown and he talked about one in Allentown and one in Irwinton and didn’t know where the other one was going, saying she called the county commissioners office and found out that once they did everything one would be in Irwinton and she didn’t think it was right for McIntyre, noting McIntyre was already on a tight budget, saying that they got the grant but they wanted the cities to help out with the $58,305, saying that they had it split up with all of the six cities but McIntyre nor Toomsboro would have a firefighter. Osborne said that Toomsboro was getting one, Roberts said that was what she was about to say, that Allentown said they were not getting one, Osborne said that Davidson was at the last meeting and had put Allentown on the very bottom of the list because all this other stuff, and from her understanding Irwinton wants the full time firefighter, but Irwinton wants Toomsboro and McIntyre to pay in on this firefighter, saying that from the way that grant is written that firefighter works from 8 to 5, 5 days a week in Irwinton and it don’t mean he can work in

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McIntyre and Toomsboro. Osborne said Toomsboro, Irwinton, and Gordon would get the firemen. Mayor Horne said that she was told that Toomsboro was fussing because they weren’t getting one; Moore said that is what he heard also. Osborne said that Chris Thomas has called and said he wanted one. Mayor Horne said that she didn’t see the need that when they have a fire everyone and their mama comes, Moore said and it’s only for three years, Mayor Horne said then who puts up the salary for that person after that, Osborne said that they either lose their job or the cities pick it up. Mayor Horne said that she brought it to council because she wanted a decision made jointly on what they wanted because Vicki Horne wasn’t doing it all by herself but she thought they already had a good group of firefighters, and they have been equipped with new equipment, radios and everything and didn’t see the city putting out any more money for this but wanted them to take a vote. Scott made motion that the city not participate, seconded by Osborne, no opposition, motion carried.

 

Martin asked if the city was charging anybody for more than one trashcan, Roberts said yes. Martin asked if Amerson got a policeman, Mayor Horne said not yet, but he had part-time, Amerson said no, that they have been doing it all themselves, Mayor Horne said great job, Amerson said not when you see the overtime, and that he was doing everything he could. Mayor Horne asked if they could at least make it until the end of the year or would it eat up his budget. Amerson said that he was doing his best. Amerson said like he said in the beginning of the year he will keep his overtime down as much as he can but there are times that are just unavoidable, that he was doing the best he could. Mayor Horne said that there may be some hours that aren’t covered, Amerson said no, there was not going to be an hour in the day the city was not covered, he’s been here to long and worked too hard to see it come to crap. Mayor Horne said that she appreciates it.

 

Motion to adjourn was made by Scott, seconded by Thorpe, no opposition, motion carried.

 

 

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Mayor Horne called meeting to order, led in prayer by Council member Eugene Moore.

 

Present were: Mayor Vicki Horne, Mayor Pro-tem Rico Myrick, Council members Katherine Scott, Deborah Osborne, and Ahmad Thorpe, also present were City Clerk Pamela Roberts, City Attorney David McRee, and Chief of Police Wayne Amerson.

 

Agenda Presented New Business As:

 

  1. Charlie Billue
  2. Review of ATV Ordinance – Ahmad Thorpe
  3. Anthony Pitts

 

Agenda Presented No Old Business:

 

Motion to accept the July 17th, 2017 council minutes was made by Thorpe, seconded by Osborne, no opposition, motion carried.

 

Mayor Horne addressed Charlie Billue, who said that he wanted his place open from around 4 until 9, no DJ’s a party maybe here and there, saying that he wants his friends to come by, saying he wanted Wayne to come by, but he’s trying to fix it so Wayne doesn’t have to come by Scott asked if it would be just during the week and Saturday, asking Billue if he was planning on renting it to anybody, Charlie said for parties, Scott said she was talking about with DJ’s and stuff, Billue said no, Mayor Horne said that he could have parties now, saying that they approved the business license but didn’t approve the Beer and Wine License. Billue said he wanted it for himself, for his friends his retired people, Mayor Horne said what part didn’t he have the liquor license, Roberts said he didn’t have the Beer and Wine License, Scott said that they would talk about it but if they had to call the police out there on him with all that loud music, Billue said there wouldn’t be loud music, that he didn’t like loud music, Scott said that if they do, they could take the license. Annie B. Mullins asked if she could ask a question, saying that if Lee had a DJ out there and he’s down there and they call and complain, and everyone knew who they were, and the police get out there and they don’t hear anything, then get called again by the same person, asking why come the police couldn’t give them a ticket or something

 

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for harassing phone calls. Scott said that they’ve been through that saying that if he’s going to have a DJ out there; they’re not going to give the license. Amerson said that he talked with Billue last week. Scott asked Amerson how he felt, Amerson said from what he is talking about he didn’t have a problem with, but he had a problem with it being a night club situation, the late Friday and Saturday night with the DJ’ s is where they run into all the problems, but he assured him that that the city won’t run into the same problem they had last time, saying that it was a night club atmosphere out there, and no they didn’t hear loud music every time they went out there, but it ties the police department up so much when they have to run back and forth out there for loud music calls. Scott asked how many times would it take them running back and forth before they closed them down, Amerson said that was up to council, Scott said one time, Amerson said it was up to them, or whatever the ordinance said. Mayor Horne asked McRee what their legal stand was on all this. McRee said that there wasn’t a set certain of times in the ordinance. Scott asked if a motion could be made after two times, McRee asked if she was asking that at that point of time could you make a motion to pull it, Scott said now, or did they have to wait until then. McRee said that for right now you are talking about re-opening the issue of the license. Billue asked what would happen if he called two or three times, asking if it would count against him. Amerson said that anytime he called them they would be glad to come out there and assist but he was going to have to keep charge of his premises that Billue was in charge of it, saying you had to keep the minors out of there, that was Billues job not his, that he has the license and it was his responsibility, and if he asked them to leave, and they didn’t then the Police could come out there and get them to leave but it was ultimately Billue’s responsibility to keep control of his place, even if he rents it out to someone, forewarning him that if he gets his beer and wine license and he rents it out to someone that has a party and they are back there serving Billue’s alcohol, that Billue was going to be the one that gets in trouble for it, asking him to keep that in mind, saying that if you do rent it out for a private party they can’t be serving Billue’s alcohol.

 

Mayor Horne asked if Billue had run his advertisement and all, Roberts said that he has done all the paper work. Mayor Horne said then council needed to decide if they were going to extend him the license.

 

 

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Scott said that if he does what he says he is going to do, that she makes a motion that they give them to him, and if he doesn’t do like he says he is then they take care of it then, seconded by Thorpe, voting for the motion were Thorpe, Myrick and Scott opposing the motion were Moore and Osborne, motion carried.

 

Billue said that it was almost the end of the year, Mayor Horne asked what did that mean, Roberts explained that they are renewable every January 1st, and it doesn’t matter when you get them, Mayor Horne said she got that, but she was trying to figure out what he was saying, Roberts said that is what he is saying, that it is so far into the year, Mayor Horne said then he may need to wait until next year, telling Billue it was his call, Billue asked if they could pro-rate it, Mayor Horne said no, no pro-rating and that they were going to move on, asking Billue if he had anything else.

 

Mayor Horne addressed agenda noting that Thorpe had on the agenda to review the ATV ordinance, asking him if they could wait until later on. Thorpe said yes.

 

Mayor Horne addressed agenda asking Anthony Pitts what he wanted to say, Pitts said he was there to listen, Mayor Horne said he was on the agenda, Pitts said he didn’t want to be on the agenda. Roberts apologized for putting him on the agenda saying she thought he had asked to be put on it.

 

Reports:

 

Moore reported a number of places where the weeds and grass have grown up and they need to send out letters or send Officer Hughes to talk to the to get the weeds and grass cut. Mayor Horne said there was a place on Vinson, Moore said yes, Mayor Horne said they sent a letter last time and they came out and cut it, Moore said yes, Mayor Horne asked Roberts if they could send letters Roberts said yes. Moore noted Jerome Angles on Macon Road, said he must have started a Junk Yard, and it doesn’t look good from the Road, also noting Harry Lord from Laurens County, noting two places on Pine Circle owned by Ed Shaugher, noting one was occupied and one unoccupied but both were grown up, then there was two vacant house at the corner of Vinson Road and New street that are grown up, saying that the old shed owned by Harvey Curry where they have the car wash is unsafe and would like it taken down, but the

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main complaints he gets is the old drug store noting the poison ivy that grows from the ground to the top of the building and the gutters are full of grass and limbs and trees, saying they have sprayed ground zero and if should keep it from growing back, noting Earl Veal needs to clean up, Amerson said that he was making progress, saying he talked to him last week about it, and he promised he was, Moore said yes he promises him also. Moore said he has gotten a lot of inquires about the old jail, and what the city intended to do about it. Moore said that he didn’t have any plans for it. Mayor Horne said about everything they have had historically negative or not has been torn down, noting the Railroad Depot, Moore said about the only thing left was Gary Snow’s old building. Ms. Martin asked what do you do about it, is it the city’s responsibility, Moore said Jail, Martin said no the houses, Moore said that they sent letters out last year, Scott said Martin asked if it was the city’s responsibility, Moore said the city has not taken responsibility to clean them up, and if they did do that he thought the city should take a lien on the property to get their money back. Martin said that if they live here they should be responsible for it. Mayor Horne said to send them another letter because some did respond and if they don’t maybe the city could at least cut the grass in the front, McRee said they can’t get off of the right-of-way, noting that if there were some health hazard you might could do something. Mayor Horne said that they looked bad being so close to the street. McRee said to let him know if they don’t respond and he can look at the ordinance, Moore said they had a nuisance ordinance that went into effect in 2004/05.

 

Scott gave the finance report noting that they had 1,069,533.31 in LGIP, 38,732.77 in SPLOST, and 26,356.99 in General Fund.

 

Osborne had no report.

 

Thorpe asked if there was anything they could send out to the citizens that explains what the ATV ordinance is, saying that there seems to be some confusion on the verbiage of the ordinance. Mayor Horne asked how are you going to know what they are looking for, saying that she has asked them to come and address their concerns, but even if you gave them a copy of the ordinance you still wouldn’t know what their concerns are unless they come and address them, saying that she did have one concern for herself saying that they can’t get on the right-of-way, saying that they have to go from point a to b, but they can’t get on the right-of-way to get where they are going, saying they had to pull it on a trailer, saying that Dupree had some

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concerns saying that he would move his charity event out of the county because he misconstrued, not totally, that they thought the ordinance was county wide, and she asked them to come to the meeting, but the ordinance says they can have a charity event but they would get with Wayne and it can be done, but no one showed up, saying half the ones that have concerns don’t stay in McIntyre. Mayor Horne noted a citizen on 8th street that has concerns, that he’s a citizen and he didn’t show up, so how do you address the issues, and that it was only a few that made it bad for everyone else, but she did think they needed to look at people being able to get somewhere, get in the right-of-way, so they would have some way to get there without having their vehicle taken from them, or the police stopping them, but did think they needed all their helmets and stuff.  Moore said that he thought they did more damage on the side of the road than they did on the road, Mayor Horne said yes, but how do they get somewhere, Moore said before when they thought they were fine riding on the shoulder of the road, but they are doing more damage on the shoulder than they do riding in the middle of the road. Mayor Horne asked how did it get fixed, if they are riding to point a to b, saying some people don’t have trailers. Moore said that most of the ones causing the problems don’t live in the city limits of McIntyre, Mayor Horne said she knew, but again how do you fix it so that they get where they are going. Osborne said that she didn’t want them riding up and down Macon Road running 90 to nothing like they do. Mayor Horne said that they don’t come out of McIntyre, that would be a county thing, Osborne said not there in front of Mr. Moore’s House and hers, Mayor Horne said yes but it was still a county thing, Moore said they are coming from Asbell Road, and turn going toward the school, saying he’s seen very few come toward McIntyre. Mayor Horne said that is what she is talking about but they do have some that cause issues, and have asked Wayne how they could fix it, asking McRee how they could fix it to make sure that they don’t get a ticket and they can get back to where they come from. McRee said that if you start punching holes in it then it loses its teeth in what problems you want it to stop, saying you couldn’t say alright you can go from here to here without somebody else saying why can they do that then why can’t I do this, saying that you are going to have to have it or not have it. Mayor Horne said that she gets that, but people need to be allowed to get where they need to go, saying they can’t get on the shoulder, McRee said they are only suppose to ride them where they are, either on their own place or if they are going to someone else’s place they either need to load it up in the back of a pickup truck or in a trailer, they aren’t suppose to drive them up and down the road, it’s not suppose to be a vehicle to get from one place to another, they are suppose to be used for a specific purpose at a location where they

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are using them at. Mayor Horne said she gets that, but it doesn’t work that way sometime, Ms. Martin said it should, Mayor Horne said but it don’t saying they have been out a long time, and that they are in a country, McRee said it is what they want, Mayor Horne said she didn’t say anything when they voted but she had reservations, but she didn’t know it was that type as far as they can’t be on the right-of-way or side walk which she knew wasn’t right either, McRee said it was up to them, if they want to make some changes to it, then they can make changes. Thorpe said that the point to getting from one point to another, saying that some of the citizens shared that concern, asking how could they justify if they want to go from one persons yard to another and the only way they can get to it was to ride on the side of the road and then they happen to be riding then they get penalized for riding there, saying there wasn’t too many places they could ride, saying that was the concern he had, saying they were specific in the lingo in the ordinance but at the same time it was so specific that it was going to limit them riding period, saying his suggestion was to look at it again, at the verbiage of it, and see what they can come up with because it’s like you have too many people that have ATV’s to ride them on their private party, asking McRee didn’t he say something about riding on private property, McRee said that you can’t ride them on anyone else’s private property but you could ride it on your own private property unless they get permission.  Amerson said to look at the safety issue, what is the very first thing they are they going to do when a kid gets hurt out there, they are going to point their finger at the city, asking why did they let them do it, and that was his only concern, saying they have let them do it for years but it has gotten to the point where it is a safety concern because you’ve got a select few, it’s a good hand full that is bound and determined they are going to do what they want to do and somebody is going to get killed, saying it has got to the point that when they try to stop and talk to them they are running from them on the four wheelers and he was not going to chase a child on a four wheeler because someone will get hurt and if you put them on the shoulder of road, unless parents or other people instead of fussing at the city for putting an ordinance out, fuss at the handful of people that are ruining it for everybody, it wasn’t the city, but those ones that are ruining it, and if you let them ride on the side of the road your responsible people are going to do what they are suppose to in the road as well as on the shoulder of the road, but those select few if you say ok you can ride it on the shoulder then they are going to go up through there tearing up the sides of the city’s roads causing ruts or hit someone coming out of a drive way or something like that, but it’s those 10 people that are ruining if for everybody, Thorpe asked could those ten people be issued citations, Osborne said you can’t catch them, Amerson said he can’t let one ride the

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side and not another. Thorpe said that he was asking a hypothetical question because his thing is you have 90 people on the hwy that speed all the time, so anyone who speeds gets a ticket or suppose to. Amerson said it was like Albert Nesbitt, saying that he has a UTC, not ATV, and he has everything a car has technically he is street legal, but that was the first thing they heard, was why could he ride his and they couldn’t, because he is street legal he has insurance, signals everything, just like a car and he was one that approached Amerson, but he couldn’t allow one to ride acting right, and one he knows wouldn’t be, then it would be why did you let him and not me, they have parents wanting to know why they are picking on their son, Amerson responds we’re not picking on your son, your son has been stopped six times for doing the same thing, you need to handle him at home, but they don’t do it, they point their fingers at the city instead of the kids that are doing it and not the ones that are causing the problem, it’s the city’s fault, not theirs so then it has to be an ordinance and put in place and then everyone’s upset about it but if those people that ride like they’re suppose to, like responsible adults would go upside those youngin’s head that are acting up it would stop, but they won’t do it, Mayor Horne said that most of the times it isn’t youngin’s, Amerson said he was talking about the age group 18-25, Osborne said then they haul those little kids on the back of them going 90 to nothing, no helmet no nothing, and if a truck pulls out in front of them or something, Mayor Horne said you didn’t have to convince her, saying she gets all of that, saying that she knows when someone gets hurt the city is going to be the first one to get why come the city didn’t do something, but her thing is, if someone is on the road will they allow them to get to where they need to be without the city taking their stuff, and another thing she is saying is before the city implements stuff they need to think things through because they have had people at the table say one thing then they do something else but what needs to be done is think about things before implementing them, then you have to go back and try to rework it, but she still thought that if you stop people their stuff doesn’t need to be taken and they should at least be allowed to get where they need to go, saying they buy these things and don’t have trailers to pull them and that was her feelings, Martin said then they don’t need to buy them, Mayor Horne said but they do, that they’ve been riding them around here for years and nobody bothered them and they have children piled up on them and she wasn’t the only one that has seen it. Amerson said as long as they have the ordinance he was going to have to enforce it on everyone because if he sees one riding acting responsible and does nothing then the next day he catches one acting up then he’s was going to get asked why come you didn’t do something to so and so, he was going to have to treat everyone the same, he would enforce the ordinance

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and if you change the ordinance he’ll enforce that one, but the way it stands now he wasn’t going to allow them to ride on the road period. McRee said his question was, is there three people at the table that want to change and if so what changes do they want to make. Myrick said he wanted it changed so that they can ride it on the side of the road if possible and if you catch them in the road you cite them, if you can catch them. Thorpe said that his thing was if it’s in the highway it’s a problem, but on the side of the road, saying that he never thought the ATV ordinance would be restricting the limitations on what they could do on the side of the road, Martin said he read it, Osborne said he read it,  Thorpe said no, Osborne said yes he had, Martin said he had it a month or so, Thorpe said no, as far as restricting on the side of the road, Osborne said no ATV on the road or the side of the road, Thorpe advised Osborne that she would have her opportunity, but as far as he was concerned you couldn’t tell him what he thought happened, and as far as this ordinance was concerned that was what he was talking about riding on the side of the road was unclear to him, and as far as telling him how he is thinking is one thing and he has a problem with that, and if someone has a concern about it you can speak their peace at this point but his thought is going to stand and he’s not going to change it because of them thinking he had a decision to make because of that and that’s where he is with that. Mayor Horne asked Moore of his thoughts, Moore said he liked it the way it is, Scott said that she thought it was a little strict, Osborne said it should stand they way it is. McRee said that he is hearing two saying they like it the way it is, three says they would like to see some changes, what would they be. Scott said that it was strict, but didn’t know how to come up with anything different. McRee asked what do you want to let them do. Myrick said that they have been riding on the side of the road for years but if you see them speeding write a citation. McRee said what he is hearing is that they can ride them on the side of the road but not in the road, Myrick said that is what he is saying. Mayor Horne asked what the state statue was; Amerson said that it covers the roadway. Amerson said that he had a four wheeler himself and he doesn’t have a problem with people riding them, but if you allow them to ride them on the side of the road he was not going to have any legal grounds, they could come down there running 90 miles per hour and he wouldn’t have any legal ground. Scott said that everyone knew they weren’t going to stay on the side of the road, Amerson said no they are not. Mayor Horne said that she didn’t want people to think that she was trying to get this twisted, what she was talking about is if you stop someone that doesn’t have a trailer that they should be allowed to get where they are going, that she was wasn’t talking about just free -wheeling riding on the right-of-way, Scott said but that is what they are talking about, Mayor Horne said yes and

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people was going to do it regardless, that people are still riding them, but that was what she was talking about, confiscating people’s stuff and things like that. Amerson said that they wouldn’t take their stuff, they would just write a ticket, Mayor Horne said that is not what she was told, she was told that one the of the officers stopped someone and told them that, Amerson said maybe after a certain number of times they may could do something, but didn’t know about confiscating a four wheeler, McRee said that it had been so long since he had written it asking if anyone had a copy. Mayor Horne said that her thing was to make sure people who have been out riding are allowed to get up the road, saying officers say whatever you have to say to them to shake them up, but she was saying that people shouldn’t get tickets and their stuff confiscated when they already know they’ve been out joyriding and they are trying to get back to where they came from. Amerson said he gets what she’s saying but the thing is that is what they were doing before hand, like from Asbell Rd. to Northwind, just coming to get through not just out riding, McRee noted that there was nothing in the ordinance about losing their property, saying it read any person violating the terms of this section shall be subject to a issuance of a citation and if proven guilty before a court or competent jurisdiction shall be subject to a fine up to $1,000, saying you can’t confiscate the property. Mayor Horne said then officers shouldn’t be telling people that. McRee said he is hearing that they can ride them on the side of the road, anything else, saying he would make these changes and send it back to the clerk, Martin asked Amerson if that was agreeable with him, Amerson said not really, because you are going to have the same problem he has now, saying the problem he has is not only people riding in the road but people riding on the side of the road like a bat out of you know where and if you allow them to ride on the side of the road he’s not going to have any legal recourse, and it doesn’t matter if they are riding 70 miles per hour there is nothing he’s going to be able to do. Mayor Horne said before the ordinance they put in place, they were able to stop them, Amerson said yes the ones riding in the roadway, but the ones on the side of the road they weren’t bothering, it was the ones on the roadway, saying he doesn’t have a problem with them riding in the roadway as long as they are doing it in a responsible manner, and that’s the problem they are  not going to do it in a responsible manner, he didn’t care if you allowed them to ride on the side of the road or in the road way they aren’t going to do it, saying that you had a handful that aren’t going to be responsible no matter if you have an ordinance or state law or anything else and that’s the ones they have to deal with, and he didn’t have an answer. Scott asked Amerson what he thought they needed to do, do they need to just enforce what they have but like Mayor Horne said if the police stop telling them that they were going to

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take their vehicle from them or they will call, saying that she has seen someone call a tow truck and pick one up. Amerson said that if they are doing certain things they have the legal right to tow them but they aren’t going to confiscate it just because they are riding it, but there are certain things they are doing they can have it towed, DUI, whether they are on the right-of-way or roadway, he can have them towed, saying he doesn’t have the answer, that it wasn’t everybody, that it was a group that was making a big mess for everybody, and the ones complaining are the ones they are having problems with, saying that he has tried for months to find a solution, they have talked with them, warned them, saying that he talked with Bud Dupree about it, saying that these teenagers and young guys looked up to him asking him to talk to them because they are going to ruin it for everybody, saying he told him up there one day when he caught two of them doing what they shouldn’t have been doing and he was up there and asked him to talk to them that they would listen to him more than they would him, but it didn’t work. Mayor Horne said that this wasn’t about Bud Dupree, because her nephew had one and he called her, because his mama is the one that wanted him to call her and she knew that he would be leaving her mama’s house or hers going home and he had concerns, saying that he doesn’t ride his anymore, saying Bud can have his event wherever he wants to and she told him that the other day, but no one wants to get educated, that she was talking about the few that do ride right. Amerson said he didn’t have an answer saying he tried to resolve it without it getting this far.  McRee said he would take a look at it, and see what he could change and get it back to them.

 

Myrick nor McRee had reports.

 

Roberts said that she did have one thing, saying that Gloria Moore on 441 has been in bad health for a very long time and how she’s made it this long she didn’t know, but her and her husband have been in Augusta for the last couple of months back and forth, and they had a leak and last month his bill was over two hundred, and they offered him the once a year disaster relief, but this month the water bill came out to be $586, Scott asked why didn’t they cut the water off, Roberts said that he’s been staying in Augusta and his daughter has been staying here and he called her and she told him she had fixed the leak, saying it was the hot water heater. Roberts said that when they saw this they went ahead and called Billy Moore and told him, and the city actually went out there and cut the water off because it wasn’t fixed and it was running about 26,000 gallons a water every other day, saying that he had called her and

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asked if there was anything we could do, he was told that since they did the disaster relief last month that the clerk could not offer another one but would take it to council and see if council was willing to do anything. Scott said that the city should be more particular about the water and that she knew there was a leak and should have to pay it. Mayor Horne asked if they could flip the cost, saying that Gloria was very sick. Roberts asked what she meant by flip, to offer them another discount, Mayor Horne said yes, saying that you never know when you may face hard times. Osborne asked if she meant flipping by switching the 200 for the 500, Mayor Horne said yes, and giving them time to pay. Moore said that he talked with him, and was told that he would not be able to pay all of it at one time. Motion to flip the bill for Gloria Moore and giving time to pay the balance in payments was made by Osborne, seconded by Scott, no opposition, motion carried.

 

Osborne asked if Roger Bacon has said anything about putting those on Macon Road on McIntyre Water. Mayor Horne asked McRee if he had heard from his people, McRee said that Bacon was at the last meeting, Mayor Horne said that he was going to get back with her, but she hasn’t heard from him. McRee said that they haven’t had a meeting since then. Mayor Horne asked if they could send him a letter, or she would call him, Martin said they had a meeting Tuesday night, Mayor Horne said that she would try to go over there.

 

Mayor Horne noted that everyone had a copy of the notice from Mayor Davidson from Allentown, saying that they had gotten a grant to house three firemen throughout the county, saying that she talked with Tommy Brown and he talked about one in Allentown and one in Irwinton and didn’t know where the other one was going, saying she called the county commissioners office and found out that once they did everything one would be in Irwinton and she didn’t think it was right for McIntyre, noting McIntyre was already on a tight budget, saying that they got the grant but they wanted the cities to help out with the $58,305, saying that they had it split up with all of the six cities but McIntyre nor Toomsboro would have a firefighter. Osborne said that Toomsboro was getting one, Roberts said that was what she was about to say, that Allentown said they were not getting one, Osborne said that Davidson was at the last meeting and had put Allentown on the very bottom of the list because all this other stuff, and from her understanding Irwinton wants the full time firefighter, but Irwinton wants Toomsboro and McIntyre to pay in on this firefighter, saying that from the way that grant is written that firefighter works from 8 to 5, 5 days a week in Irwinton and it don’t mean he can work in

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McIntyre and Toomsboro. Osborne said Toomsboro, Irwinton, and Gordon would get the firemen. Mayor Horne said that she was told that Toomsboro was fussing because they weren’t getting one; Moore said that is what he heard also. Osborne said that Chris Thomas has called and said he wanted one. Mayor Horne said that she didn’t see the need that when they have a fire everyone and their mama comes, Moore said and it’s only for three years, Mayor Horne said then who puts up the salary for that person after that, Osborne said that they either lose their job or the cities pick it up. Mayor Horne said that she brought it to council because she wanted a decision made jointly on what they wanted because Vicki Horne wasn’t doing it all by herself but she thought they already had a good group of firefighters, and they have been equipped with new equipment, radios and everything and didn’t see the city putting out any more money for this but wanted them to take a vote. Scott made motion that the city not participate, seconded by Osborne, no opposition, motion carried.

 

Martin asked if the city was charging anybody for more than one trashcan, Roberts said yes. Martin asked if Amerson got a policeman, Mayor Horne said not yet, but he had part-time, Amerson said no, that they have been doing it all themselves, Mayor Horne said great job, Amerson said not when you see the overtime, and that he was doing everything he could. Mayor Horne asked if they could at least make it until the end of the year or would it eat up his budget. Amerson said that he was doing his best. Amerson said like he said in the beginning of the year he will keep his overtime down as much as he can but there are times that are just unavoidable, that he was doing the best he could. Mayor Horne said that there may be some hours that aren’t covered, Amerson said no, there was not going to be an hour in the day the city was not covered, he’s been here to long and worked too hard to see it come to crap. Mayor Horne said that she appreciates it.

 

Motion to adjourn was made by Scott, seconded by Thorpe, no opposition, motion carried.

 

 

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Mayor Horne called meeting to order, led in prayer by Council member Eugene Moore.

 

Present were: Mayor Vicki Horne, Mayor Pro-tem Rico Myrick, Council members Katherine Scott, Deborah Osborne, and Ahmad Thorpe, also present were City Clerk Pamela Roberts, City Attorney David McRee, and Chief of Police Wayne Amerson.

 

Agenda Presented New Business As:

 

  1. Charlie Billue
  2. Review of ATV Ordinance – Ahmad Thorpe
  3. Anthony Pitts

 

Agenda Presented No Old Business:

 

Motion to accept the July 17th, 2017 council minutes was made by Thorpe, seconded by Osborne, no opposition, motion carried.

 

Mayor Horne addressed Charlie Billue, who said that he wanted his place open from around 4 until 9, no DJ’s a party maybe here and there, saying that he wants his friends to come by, saying he wanted Wayne to come by, but he’s trying to fix it so Wayne doesn’t have to come by Scott asked if it would be just during the week and Saturday, asking Billue if he was planning on renting it to anybody, Charlie said for parties, Scott said she was talking about with DJ’s and stuff, Billue said no, Mayor Horne said that he could have parties now, saying that they approved the business license but didn’t approve the Beer and Wine License. Billue said he wanted it for himself, for his friends his retired people, Mayor Horne said what part didn’t he have the liquor license, Roberts said he didn’t have the Beer and Wine License, Scott said that they would talk about it but if they had to call the police out there on him with all that loud music, Billue said there wouldn’t be loud music, that he didn’t like loud music, Scott said that if they do, they could take the license. Annie B. Mullins asked if she could ask a question, saying that if Lee had a DJ out there and he’s down there and they call and complain, and everyone knew who they were, and the police get out there and they don’t hear anything, then get called again by the same person, asking why come the police couldn’t give them a ticket or something

 

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for harassing phone calls. Scott said that they’ve been through that saying that if he’s going to have a DJ out there; they’re not going to give the license. Amerson said that he talked with Billue last week. Scott asked Amerson how he felt, Amerson said from what he is talking about he didn’t have a problem with, but he had a problem with it being a night club situation, the late Friday and Saturday night with the DJ’ s is where they run into all the problems, but he assured him that that the city won’t run into the same problem they had last time, saying that it was a night club atmosphere out there, and no they didn’t hear loud music every time they went out there, but it ties the police department up so much when they have to run back and forth out there for loud music calls. Scott asked how many times would it take them running back and forth before they closed them down, Amerson said that was up to council, Scott said one time, Amerson said it was up to them, or whatever the ordinance said. Mayor Horne asked McRee what their legal stand was on all this. McRee said that there wasn’t a set certain of times in the ordinance. Scott asked if a motion could be made after two times, McRee asked if she was asking that at that point of time could you make a motion to pull it, Scott said now, or did they have to wait until then. McRee said that for right now you are talking about re-opening the issue of the license. Billue asked what would happen if he called two or three times, asking if it would count against him. Amerson said that anytime he called them they would be glad to come out there and assist but he was going to have to keep charge of his premises that Billue was in charge of it, saying you had to keep the minors out of there, that was Billues job not his, that he has the license and it was his responsibility, and if he asked them to leave, and they didn’t then the Police could come out there and get them to leave but it was ultimately Billue’s responsibility to keep control of his place, even if he rents it out to someone, forewarning him that if he gets his beer and wine license and he rents it out to someone that has a party and they are back there serving Billue’s alcohol, that Billue was going to be the one that gets in trouble for it, asking him to keep that in mind, saying that if you do rent it out for a private party they can’t be serving Billue’s alcohol.

 

Mayor Horne asked if Billue had run his advertisement and all, Roberts said that he has done all the paper work. Mayor Horne said then council needed to decide if they were going to extend him the license.

 

 

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Scott said that if he does what he says he is going to do, that she makes a motion that they give them to him, and if he doesn’t do like he says he is then they take care of it then, seconded by Thorpe, voting for the motion were Thorpe, Myrick and Scott opposing the motion were Moore and Osborne, motion carried.

 

Billue said that it was almost the end of the year, Mayor Horne asked what did that mean, Roberts explained that they are renewable every January 1st, and it doesn’t matter when you get them, Mayor Horne said she got that, but she was trying to figure out what he was saying, Roberts said that is what he is saying, that it is so far into the year, Mayor Horne said then he may need to wait until next year, telling Billue it was his call, Billue asked if they could pro-rate it, Mayor Horne said no, no pro-rating and that they were going to move on, asking Billue if he had anything else.

 

Mayor Horne addressed agenda noting that Thorpe had on the agenda to review the ATV ordinance, asking him if they could wait until later on. Thorpe said yes.

 

Mayor Horne addressed agenda asking Anthony Pitts what he wanted to say, Pitts said he was there to listen, Mayor Horne said he was on the agenda, Pitts said he didn’t want to be on the agenda. Roberts apologized for putting him on the agenda saying she thought he had asked to be put on it.

 

Reports:

 

Moore reported a number of places where the weeds and grass have grown up and they need to send out letters or send Officer Hughes to talk to the to get the weeds and grass cut. Mayor Horne said there was a place on Vinson, Moore said yes, Mayor Horne said they sent a letter last time and they came out and cut it, Moore said yes, Mayor Horne asked Roberts if they could send letters Roberts said yes. Moore noted Jerome Angles on Macon Road, said he must have started a Junk Yard, and it doesn’t look good from the Road, also noting Harry Lord from Laurens County, noting two places on Pine Circle owned by Ed Shaugher, noting one was occupied and one unoccupied but both were grown up, then there was two vacant house at the corner of Vinson Road and New street that are grown up, saying that the old shed owned by Harvey Curry where they have the car wash is unsafe and would like it taken down, but the

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main complaints he gets is the old drug store noting the poison ivy that grows from the ground to the top of the building and the gutters are full of grass and limbs and trees, saying they have sprayed ground zero and if should keep it from growing back, noting Earl Veal needs to clean up, Amerson said that he was making progress, saying he talked to him last week about it, and he promised he was, Moore said yes he promises him also. Moore said he has gotten a lot of inquires about the old jail, and what the city intended to do about it. Moore said that he didn’t have any plans for it. Mayor Horne said about everything they have had historically negative or not has been torn down, noting the Railroad Depot, Moore said about the only thing left was Gary Snow’s old building. Ms. Martin asked what do you do about it, is it the city’s responsibility, Moore said Jail, Martin said no the houses, Moore said that they sent letters out last year, Scott said Martin asked if it was the city’s responsibility, Moore said the city has not taken responsibility to clean them up, and if they did do that he thought the city should take a lien on the property to get their money back. Martin said that if they live here they should be responsible for it. Mayor Horne said to send them another letter because some did respond and if they don’t maybe the city could at least cut the grass in the front, McRee said they can’t get off of the right-of-way, noting that if there were some health hazard you might could do something. Mayor Horne said that they looked bad being so close to the street. McRee said to let him know if they don’t respond and he can look at the ordinance, Moore said they had a nuisance ordinance that went into effect in 2004/05.

 

Scott gave the finance report noting that they had 1,069,533.31 in LGIP, 38,732.77 in SPLOST, and 26,356.99 in General Fund.

 

Osborne had no report.

 

Thorpe asked if there was anything they could send out to the citizens that explains what the ATV ordinance is, saying that there seems to be some confusion on the verbiage of the ordinance. Mayor Horne asked how are you going to know what they are looking for, saying that she has asked them to come and address their concerns, but even if you gave them a copy of the ordinance you still wouldn’t know what their concerns are unless they come and address them, saying that she did have one concern for herself saying that they can’t get on the right-of-way, saying that they have to go from point a to b, but they can’t get on the right-of-way to get where they are going, saying they had to pull it on a trailer, saying that Dupree had some

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concerns saying that he would move his charity event out of the county because he misconstrued, not totally, that they thought the ordinance was county wide, and she asked them to come to the meeting, but the ordinance says they can have a charity event but they would get with Wayne and it can be done, but no one showed up, saying half the ones that have concerns don’t stay in McIntyre. Mayor Horne noted a citizen on 8th street that has concerns, that he’s a citizen and he didn’t show up, so how do you address the issues, and that it was only a few that made it bad for everyone else, but she did think they needed to look at people being able to get somewhere, get in the right-of-way, so they would have some way to get there without having their vehicle taken from them, or the police stopping them, but did think they needed all their helmets and stuff.  Moore said that he thought they did more damage on the side of the road than they did on the road, Mayor Horne said yes, but how do they get somewhere, Moore said before when they thought they were fine riding on the shoulder of the road, but they are doing more damage on the shoulder than they do riding in the middle of the road. Mayor Horne asked how did it get fixed, if they are riding to point a to b, saying some people don’t have trailers. Moore said that most of the ones causing the problems don’t live in the city limits of McIntyre, Mayor Horne said she knew, but again how do you fix it so that they get where they are going. Osborne said that she didn’t want them riding up and down Macon Road running 90 to nothing like they do. Mayor Horne said that they don’t come out of McIntyre, that would be a county thing, Osborne said not there in front of Mr. Moore’s House and hers, Mayor Horne said yes but it was still a county thing, Moore said they are coming from Asbell Road, and turn going toward the school, saying he’s seen very few come toward McIntyre. Mayor Horne said that is what she is talking about but they do have some that cause issues, and have asked Wayne how they could fix it, asking McRee how they could fix it to make sure that they don’t get a ticket and they can get back to where they come from. McRee said that if you start punching holes in it then it loses its teeth in what problems you want it to stop, saying you couldn’t say alright you can go from here to here without somebody else saying why can they do that then why can’t I do this, saying that you are going to have to have it or not have it. Mayor Horne said that she gets that, but people need to be allowed to get where they need to go, saying they can’t get on the shoulder, McRee said they are only suppose to ride them where they are, either on their own place or if they are going to someone else’s place they either need to load it up in the back of a pickup truck or in a trailer, they aren’t suppose to drive them up and down the road, it’s not suppose to be a vehicle to get from one place to another, they are suppose to be used for a specific purpose at a location where they

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are using them at. Mayor Horne said she gets that, but it doesn’t work that way sometime, Ms. Martin said it should, Mayor Horne said but it don’t saying they have been out a long time, and that they are in a country, McRee said it is what they want, Mayor Horne said she didn’t say anything when they voted but she had reservations, but she didn’t know it was that type as far as they can’t be on the right-of-way or side walk which she knew wasn’t right either, McRee said it was up to them, if they want to make some changes to it, then they can make changes. Thorpe said that the point to getting from one point to another, saying that some of the citizens shared that concern, asking how could they justify if they want to go from one persons yard to another and the only way they can get to it was to ride on the side of the road and then they happen to be riding then they get penalized for riding there, saying there wasn’t too many places they could ride, saying that was the concern he had, saying they were specific in the lingo in the ordinance but at the same time it was so specific that it was going to limit them riding period, saying his suggestion was to look at it again, at the verbiage of it, and see what they can come up with because it’s like you have too many people that have ATV’s to ride them on their private party, asking McRee didn’t he say something about riding on private property, McRee said that you can’t ride them on anyone else’s private property but you could ride it on your own private property unless they get permission.  Amerson said to look at the safety issue, what is the very first thing they are they going to do when a kid gets hurt out there, they are going to point their finger at the city, asking why did they let them do it, and that was his only concern, saying they have let them do it for years but it has gotten to the point where it is a safety concern because you’ve got a select few, it’s a good hand full that is bound and determined they are going to do what they want to do and somebody is going to get killed, saying it has got to the point that when they try to stop and talk to them they are running from them on the four wheelers and he was not going to chase a child on a four wheeler because someone will get hurt and if you put them on the shoulder of road, unless parents or other people instead of fussing at the city for putting an ordinance out, fuss at the handful of people that are ruining it for everybody, it wasn’t the city, but those ones that are ruining it, and if you let them ride on the side of the road your responsible people are going to do what they are suppose to in the road as well as on the shoulder of the road, but those select few if you say ok you can ride it on the shoulder then they are going to go up through there tearing up the sides of the city’s roads causing ruts or hit someone coming out of a drive way or something like that, but it’s those 10 people that are ruining if for everybody, Thorpe asked could those ten people be issued citations, Osborne said you can’t catch them, Amerson said he can’t let one ride the

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side and not another. Thorpe said that he was asking a hypothetical question because his thing is you have 90 people on the hwy that speed all the time, so anyone who speeds gets a ticket or suppose to. Amerson said it was like Albert Nesbitt, saying that he has a UTC, not ATV, and he has everything a car has technically he is street legal, but that was the first thing they heard, was why could he ride his and they couldn’t, because he is street legal he has insurance, signals everything, just like a car and he was one that approached Amerson, but he couldn’t allow one to ride acting right, and one he knows wouldn’t be, then it would be why did you let him and not me, they have parents wanting to know why they are picking on their son, Amerson responds we’re not picking on your son, your son has been stopped six times for doing the same thing, you need to handle him at home, but they don’t do it, they point their fingers at the city instead of the kids that are doing it and not the ones that are causing the problem, it’s the city’s fault, not theirs so then it has to be an ordinance and put in place and then everyone’s upset about it but if those people that ride like they’re suppose to, like responsible adults would go upside those youngin’s head that are acting up it would stop, but they won’t do it, Mayor Horne said that most of the times it isn’t youngin’s, Amerson said he was talking about the age group 18-25, Osborne said then they haul those little kids on the back of them going 90 to nothing, no helmet no nothing, and if a truck pulls out in front of them or something, Mayor Horne said you didn’t have to convince her, saying she gets all of that, saying that she knows when someone gets hurt the city is going to be the first one to get why come the city didn’t do something, but her thing is, if someone is on the road will they allow them to get to where they need to be without the city taking their stuff, and another thing she is saying is before the city implements stuff they need to think things through because they have had people at the table say one thing then they do something else but what needs to be done is think about things before implementing them, then you have to go back and try to rework it, but she still thought that if you stop people their stuff doesn’t need to be taken and they should at least be allowed to get where they need to go, saying they buy these things and don’t have trailers to pull them and that was her feelings, Martin said then they don’t need to buy them, Mayor Horne said but they do, that they’ve been riding them around here for years and nobody bothered them and they have children piled up on them and she wasn’t the only one that has seen it. Amerson said as long as they have the ordinance he was going to have to enforce it on everyone because if he sees one riding acting responsible and does nothing then the next day he catches one acting up then he’s was going to get asked why come you didn’t do something to so and so, he was going to have to treat everyone the same, he would enforce the ordinance

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and if you change the ordinance he’ll enforce that one, but the way it stands now he wasn’t going to allow them to ride on the road period. McRee said his question was, is there three people at the table that want to change and if so what changes do they want to make. Myrick said he wanted it changed so that they can ride it on the side of the road if possible and if you catch them in the road you cite them, if you can catch them. Thorpe said that his thing was if it’s in the highway it’s a problem, but on the side of the road, saying that he never thought the ATV ordinance would be restricting the limitations on what they could do on the side of the road, Martin said he read it, Osborne said he read it,  Thorpe said no, Osborne said yes he had, Martin said he had it a month or so, Thorpe said no, as far as restricting on the side of the road, Osborne said no ATV on the road or the side of the road, Thorpe advised Osborne that she would have her opportunity, but as far as he was concerned you couldn’t tell him what he thought happened, and as far as this ordinance was concerned that was what he was talking about riding on the side of the road was unclear to him, and as far as telling him how he is thinking is one thing and he has a problem with that, and if someone has a concern about it you can speak their peace at this point but his thought is going to stand and he’s not going to change it because of them thinking he had a decision to make because of that and that’s where he is with that. Mayor Horne asked Moore of his thoughts, Moore said he liked it the way it is, Scott said that she thought it was a little strict, Osborne said it should stand they way it is. McRee said that he is hearing two saying they like it the way it is, three says they would like to see some changes, what would they be. Scott said that it was strict, but didn’t know how to come up with anything different. McRee asked what do you want to let them do. Myrick said that they have been riding on the side of the road for years but if you see them speeding write a citation. McRee said what he is hearing is that they can ride them on the side of the road but not in the road, Myrick said that is what he is saying. Mayor Horne asked what the state statue was; Amerson said that it covers the roadway. Amerson said that he had a four wheeler himself and he doesn’t have a problem with people riding them, but if you allow them to ride them on the side of the road he was not going to have any legal grounds, they could come down there running 90 miles per hour and he wouldn’t have any legal ground. Scott said that everyone knew they weren’t going to stay on the side of the road, Amerson said no they are not. Mayor Horne said that she didn’t want people to think that she was trying to get this twisted, what she was talking about is if you stop someone that doesn’t have a trailer that they should be allowed to get where they are going, that she was wasn’t talking about just free -wheeling riding on the right-of-way, Scott said but that is what they are talking about, Mayor Horne said yes and

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people was going to do it regardless, that people are still riding them, but that was what she was talking about, confiscating people’s stuff and things like that. Amerson said that they wouldn’t take their stuff, they would just write a ticket, Mayor Horne said that is not what she was told, she was told that one the of the officers stopped someone and told them that, Amerson said maybe after a certain number of times they may could do something, but didn’t know about confiscating a four wheeler, McRee said that it had been so long since he had written it asking if anyone had a copy. Mayor Horne said that her thing was to make sure people who have been out riding are allowed to get up the road, saying officers say whatever you have to say to them to shake them up, but she was saying that people shouldn’t get tickets and their stuff confiscated when they already know they’ve been out joyriding and they are trying to get back to where they came from. Amerson said he gets what she’s saying but the thing is that is what they were doing before hand, like from Asbell Rd. to Northwind, just coming to get through not just out riding, McRee noted that there was nothing in the ordinance about losing their property, saying it read any person violating the terms of this section shall be subject to a issuance of a citation and if proven guilty before a court or competent jurisdiction shall be subject to a fine up to $1,000, saying you can’t confiscate the property. Mayor Horne said then officers shouldn’t be telling people that. McRee said he is hearing that they can ride them on the side of the road, anything else, saying he would make these changes and send it back to the clerk, Martin asked Amerson if that was agreeable with him, Amerson said not really, because you are going to have the same problem he has now, saying the problem he has is not only people riding in the road but people riding on the side of the road like a bat out of you know where and if you allow them to ride on the side of the road he’s not going to have any legal recourse, and it doesn’t matter if they are riding 70 miles per hour there is nothing he’s going to be able to do. Mayor Horne said before the ordinance they put in place, they were able to stop them, Amerson said yes the ones riding in the roadway, but the ones on the side of the road they weren’t bothering, it was the ones on the roadway, saying he doesn’t have a problem with them riding in the roadway as long as they are doing it in a responsible manner, and that’s the problem they are  not going to do it in a responsible manner, he didn’t care if you allowed them to ride on the side of the road or in the road way they aren’t going to do it, saying that you had a handful that aren’t going to be responsible no matter if you have an ordinance or state law or anything else and that’s the ones they have to deal with, and he didn’t have an answer. Scott asked Amerson what he thought they needed to do, do they need to just enforce what they have but like Mayor Horne said if the police stop telling them that they were going to

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take their vehicle from them or they will call, saying that she has seen someone call a tow truck and pick one up. Amerson said that if they are doing certain things they have the legal right to tow them but they aren’t going to confiscate it just because they are riding it, but there are certain things they are doing they can have it towed, DUI, whether they are on the right-of-way or roadway, he can have them towed, saying he doesn’t have the answer, that it wasn’t everybody, that it was a group that was making a big mess for everybody, and the ones complaining are the ones they are having problems with, saying that he has tried for months to find a solution, they have talked with them, warned them, saying that he talked with Bud Dupree about it, saying that these teenagers and young guys looked up to him asking him to talk to them because they are going to ruin it for everybody, saying he told him up there one day when he caught two of them doing what they shouldn’t have been doing and he was up there and asked him to talk to them that they would listen to him more than they would him, but it didn’t work. Mayor Horne said that this wasn’t about Bud Dupree, because her nephew had one and he called her, because his mama is the one that wanted him to call her and she knew that he would be leaving her mama’s house or hers going home and he had concerns, saying that he doesn’t ride his anymore, saying Bud can have his event wherever he wants to and she told him that the other day, but no one wants to get educated, that she was talking about the few that do ride right. Amerson said he didn’t have an answer saying he tried to resolve it without it getting this far.  McRee said he would take a look at it, and see what he could change and get it back to them.

 

Myrick nor McRee had reports.

 

Roberts said that she did have one thing, saying that Gloria Moore on 441 has been in bad health for a very long time and how she’s made it this long she didn’t know, but her and her husband have been in Augusta for the last couple of months back and forth, and they had a leak and last month his bill was over two hundred, and they offered him the once a year disaster relief, but this month the water bill came out to be $586, Scott asked why didn’t they cut the water off, Roberts said that he’s been staying in Augusta and his daughter has been staying here and he called her and she told him she had fixed the leak, saying it was the hot water heater. Roberts said that when they saw this they went ahead and called Billy Moore and told him, and the city actually went out there and cut the water off because it wasn’t fixed and it was running about 26,000 gallons a water every other day, saying that he had called her and

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asked if there was anything we could do, he was told that since they did the disaster relief last month that the clerk could not offer another one but would take it to council and see if council was willing to do anything. Scott said that the city should be more particular about the water and that she knew there was a leak and should have to pay it. Mayor Horne asked if they could flip the cost, saying that Gloria was very sick. Roberts asked what she meant by flip, to offer them another discount, Mayor Horne said yes, saying that you never know when you may face hard times. Osborne asked if she meant flipping by switching the 200 for the 500, Mayor Horne said yes, and giving them time to pay. Moore said that he talked with him, and was told that he would not be able to pay all of it at one time. Motion to flip the bill for Gloria Moore and giving time to pay the balance in payments was made by Osborne, seconded by Scott, no opposition, motion carried.

 

Osborne asked if Roger Bacon has said anything about putting those on Macon Road on McIntyre Water. Mayor Horne asked McRee if he had heard from his people, McRee said that Bacon was at the last meeting, Mayor Horne said that he was going to get back with her, but she hasn’t heard from him. McRee said that they haven’t had a meeting since then. Mayor Horne asked if they could send him a letter, or she would call him, Martin said they had a meeting Tuesday night, Mayor Horne said that she would try to go over there.

 

Mayor Horne noted that everyone had a copy of the notice from Mayor Davidson from Allentown, saying that they had gotten a grant to house three firemen throughout the county, saying that she talked with Tommy Brown and he talked about one in Allentown and one in Irwinton and didn’t know where the other one was going, saying she called the county commissioners office and found out that once they did everything one would be in Irwinton and she didn’t think it was right for McIntyre, noting McIntyre was already on a tight budget, saying that they got the grant but they wanted the cities to help out with the $58,305, saying that they had it split up with all of the six cities but McIntyre nor Toomsboro would have a firefighter. Osborne said that Toomsboro was getting one, Roberts said that was what she was about to say, that Allentown said they were not getting one, Osborne said that Davidson was at the last meeting and had put Allentown on the very bottom of the list because all this other stuff, and from her understanding Irwinton wants the full time firefighter, but Irwinton wants Toomsboro and McIntyre to pay in on this firefighter, saying that from the way that grant is written that firefighter works from 8 to 5, 5 days a week in Irwinton and it don’t mean he can work in

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McIntyre and Toomsboro. Osborne said Toomsboro, Irwinton, and Gordon would get the firemen. Mayor Horne said that she was told that Toomsboro was fussing because they weren’t getting one; Moore said that is what he heard also. Osborne said that Chris Thomas has called and said he wanted one. Mayor Horne said that she didn’t see the need that when they have a fire everyone and their mama comes, Moore said and it’s only for three years, Mayor Horne said then who puts up the salary for that person after that, Osborne said that they either lose their job or the cities pick it up. Mayor Horne said that she brought it to council because she wanted a decision made jointly on what they wanted because Vicki Horne wasn’t doing it all by herself but she thought they already had a good group of firefighters, and they have been equipped with new equipment, radios and everything and didn’t see the city putting out any more money for this but wanted them to take a vote. Scott made motion that the city not participate, seconded by Osborne, no opposition, motion carried.

 

Martin asked if the city was charging anybody for more than one trashcan, Roberts said yes. Martin asked if Amerson got a policeman, Mayor Horne said not yet, but he had part-time, Amerson said no, that they have been doing it all themselves, Mayor Horne said great job, Amerson said not when you see the overtime, and that he was doing everything he could. Mayor Horne asked if they could at least make it until the end of the year or would it eat up his budget. Amerson said that he was doing his best. Amerson said like he said in the beginning of the year he will keep his overtime down as much as he can but there are times that are just unavoidable, that he was doing the best he could. Mayor Horne said that there may be some hours that aren’t covered, Amerson said no, there was not going to be an hour in the day the city was not covered, he’s been here to long and worked too hard to see it come to crap. Mayor Horne said that she appreciates it.

 

Motion to adjourn was made by Scott, seconded by Thorpe, no opposition, motion carried.

 

 

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Mayor Horne called meeting to order, led in prayer by Council member Eugene Moore.

 

Present were: Mayor Vicki Horne, Mayor Pro-tem Rico Myrick, Council members Katherine Scott, Deborah Osborne, and Ahmad Thorpe, also present were City Clerk Pamela Roberts, City Attorney David McRee, and Chief of Police Wayne Amerson.

 

Agenda Presented New Business As:

 

  1. Charlie Billue
  2. Review of ATV Ordinance – Ahmad Thorpe
  3. Anthony Pitts

 

Agenda Presented No Old Business:

 

Motion to accept the July 17th, 2017 council minutes was made by Thorpe, seconded by Osborne, no opposition, motion carried.

 

Mayor Horne addressed Charlie Billue, who said that he wanted his place open from around 4 until 9, no DJ’s a party maybe here and there, saying that he wants his friends to come by, saying he wanted Wayne to come by, but he’s trying to fix it so Wayne doesn’t have to come by Scott asked if it would be just during the week and Saturday, asking Billue if he was planning on renting it to anybody, Charlie said for parties, Scott said she was talking about with DJ’s and stuff, Billue said no, Mayor Horne said that he could have parties now, saying that they approved the business license but didn’t approve the Beer and Wine License. Billue said he wanted it for himself, for his friends his retired people, Mayor Horne said what part didn’t he have the liquor license, Roberts said he didn’t have the Beer and Wine License, Scott said that they would talk about it but if they had to call the police out there on him with all that loud music, Billue said there wouldn’t be loud music, that he didn’t like loud music, Scott said that if they do, they could take the license. Annie B. Mullins asked if she could ask a question, saying that if Lee had a DJ out there and he’s down there and they call and complain, and everyone knew who they were, and the police get out there and they don’t hear anything, then get called again by the same person, asking why come the police couldn’t give them a ticket or something

 

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for harassing phone calls. Scott said that they’ve been through that saying that if he’s going to have a DJ out there; they’re not going to give the license. Amerson said that he talked with Billue last week. Scott asked Amerson how he felt, Amerson said from what he is talking about he didn’t have a problem with, but he had a problem with it being a night club situation, the late Friday and Saturday night with the DJ’ s is where they run into all the problems, but he assured him that that the city won’t run into the same problem they had last time, saying that it was a night club atmosphere out there, and no they didn’t hear loud music every time they went out there, but it ties the police department up so much when they have to run back and forth out there for loud music calls. Scott asked how many times would it take them running back and forth before they closed them down, Amerson said that was up to council, Scott said one time, Amerson said it was up to them, or whatever the ordinance said. Mayor Horne asked McRee what their legal stand was on all this. McRee said that there wasn’t a set certain of times in the ordinance. Scott asked if a motion could be made after two times, McRee asked if she was asking that at that point of time could you make a motion to pull it, Scott said now, or did they have to wait until then. McRee said that for right now you are talking about re-opening the issue of the license. Billue asked what would happen if he called two or three times, asking if it would count against him. Amerson said that anytime he called them they would be glad to come out there and assist but he was going to have to keep charge of his premises that Billue was in charge of it, saying you had to keep the minors out of there, that was Billues job not his, that he has the license and it was his responsibility, and if he asked them to leave, and they didn’t then the Police could come out there and get them to leave but it was ultimately Billue’s responsibility to keep control of his place, even if he rents it out to someone, forewarning him that if he gets his beer and wine license and he rents it out to someone that has a party and they are back there serving Billue’s alcohol, that Billue was going to be the one that gets in trouble for it, asking him to keep that in mind, saying that if you do rent it out for a private party they can’t be serving Billue’s alcohol.

 

Mayor Horne asked if Billue had run his advertisement and all, Roberts said that he has done all the paper work. Mayor Horne said then council needed to decide if they were going to extend him the license.

 

 

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Scott said that if he does what he says he is going to do, that she makes a motion that they give them to him, and if he doesn’t do like he says he is then they take care of it then, seconded by Thorpe, voting for the motion were Thorpe, Myrick and Scott opposing the motion were Moore and Osborne, motion carried.

 

Billue said that it was almost the end of the year, Mayor Horne asked what did that mean, Roberts explained that they are renewable every January 1st, and it doesn’t matter when you get them, Mayor Horne said she got that, but she was trying to figure out what he was saying, Roberts said that is what he is saying, that it is so far into the year, Mayor Horne said then he may need to wait until next year, telling Billue it was his call, Billue asked if they could pro-rate it, Mayor Horne said no, no pro-rating and that they were going to move on, asking Billue if he had anything else.

 

Mayor Horne addressed agenda noting that Thorpe had on the agenda to review the ATV ordinance, asking him if they could wait until later on. Thorpe said yes.

 

Mayor Horne addressed agenda asking Anthony Pitts what he wanted to say, Pitts said he was there to listen, Mayor Horne said he was on the agenda, Pitts said he didn’t want to be on the agenda. Roberts apologized for putting him on the agenda saying she thought he had asked to be put on it.

 

Reports:

 

Moore reported a number of places where the weeds and grass have grown up and they need to send out letters or send Officer Hughes to talk to the to get the weeds and grass cut. Mayor Horne said there was a place on Vinson, Moore said yes, Mayor Horne said they sent a letter last time and they came out and cut it, Moore said yes, Mayor Horne asked Roberts if they could send letters Roberts said yes. Moore noted Jerome Angles on Macon Road, said he must have started a Junk Yard, and it doesn’t look good from the Road, also noting Harry Lord from Laurens County, noting two places on Pine Circle owned by Ed Shaugher, noting one was occupied and one unoccupied but both were grown up, then there was two vacant house at the corner of Vinson Road and New street that are grown up, saying that the old shed owned by Harvey Curry where they have the car wash is unsafe and would like it taken down, but the

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main complaints he gets is the old drug store noting the poison ivy that grows from the ground to the top of the building and the gutters are full of grass and limbs and trees, saying they have sprayed ground zero and if should keep it from growing back, noting Earl Veal needs to clean up, Amerson said that he was making progress, saying he talked to him last week about it, and he promised he was, Moore said yes he promises him also. Moore said he has gotten a lot of inquires about the old jail, and what the city intended to do about it. Moore said that he didn’t have any plans for it. Mayor Horne said about everything they have had historically negative or not has been torn down, noting the Railroad Depot, Moore said about the only thing left was Gary Snow’s old building. Ms. Martin asked what do you do about it, is it the city’s responsibility, Moore said Jail, Martin said no the houses, Moore said that they sent letters out last year, Scott said Martin asked if it was the city’s responsibility, Moore said the city has not taken responsibility to clean them up, and if they did do that he thought the city should take a lien on the property to get their money back. Martin said that if they live here they should be responsible for it. Mayor Horne said to send them another letter because some did respond and if they don’t maybe the city could at least cut the grass in the front, McRee said they can’t get off of the right-of-way, noting that if there were some health hazard you might could do something. Mayor Horne said that they looked bad being so close to the street. McRee said to let him know if they don’t respond and he can look at the ordinance, Moore said they had a nuisance ordinance that went into effect in 2004/05.

 

Scott gave the finance report noting that they had 1,069,533.31 in LGIP, 38,732.77 in SPLOST, and 26,356.99 in General Fund.

 

Osborne had no report.

 

Thorpe asked if there was anything they could send out to the citizens that explains what the ATV ordinance is, saying that there seems to be some confusion on the verbiage of the ordinance. Mayor Horne asked how are you going to know what they are looking for, saying that she has asked them to come and address their concerns, but even if you gave them a copy of the ordinance you still wouldn’t know what their concerns are unless they come and address them, saying that she did have one concern for herself saying that they can’t get on the right-of-way, saying that they have to go from point a to b, but they can’t get on the right-of-way to get where they are going, saying they had to pull it on a trailer, saying that Dupree had some

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concerns saying that he would move his charity event out of the county because he misconstrued, not totally, that they thought the ordinance was county wide, and she asked them to come to the meeting, but the ordinance says they can have a charity event but they would get with Wayne and it can be done, but no one showed up, saying half the ones that have concerns don’t stay in McIntyre. Mayor Horne noted a citizen on 8th street that has concerns, that he’s a citizen and he didn’t show up, so how do you address the issues, and that it was only a few that made it bad for everyone else, but she did think they needed to look at people being able to get somewhere, get in the right-of-way, so they would have some way to get there without having their vehicle taken from them, or the police stopping them, but did think they needed all their helmets and stuff.  Moore said that he thought they did more damage on the side of the road than they did on the road, Mayor Horne said yes, but how do they get somewhere, Moore said before when they thought they were fine riding on the shoulder of the road, but they are doing more damage on the shoulder than they do riding in the middle of the road. Mayor Horne asked how did it get fixed, if they are riding to point a to b, saying some people don’t have trailers. Moore said that most of the ones causing the problems don’t live in the city limits of McIntyre, Mayor Horne said she knew, but again how do you fix it so that they get where they are going. Osborne said that she didn’t want them riding up and down Macon Road running 90 to nothing like they do. Mayor Horne said that they don’t come out of McIntyre, that would be a county thing, Osborne said not there in front of Mr. Moore’s House and hers, Mayor Horne said yes but it was still a county thing, Moore said they are coming from Asbell Road, and turn going toward the school, saying he’s seen very few come toward McIntyre. Mayor Horne said that is what she is talking about but they do have some that cause issues, and have asked Wayne how they could fix it, asking McRee how they could fix it to make sure that they don’t get a ticket and they can get back to where they come from. McRee said that if you start punching holes in it then it loses its teeth in what problems you want it to stop, saying you couldn’t say alright you can go from here to here without somebody else saying why can they do that then why can’t I do this, saying that you are going to have to have it or not have it. Mayor Horne said that she gets that, but people need to be allowed to get where they need to go, saying they can’t get on the shoulder, McRee said they are only suppose to ride them where they are, either on their own place or if they are going to someone else’s place they either need to load it up in the back of a pickup truck or in a trailer, they aren’t suppose to drive them up and down the road, it’s not suppose to be a vehicle to get from one place to another, they are suppose to be used for a specific purpose at a location where they

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are using them at. Mayor Horne said she gets that, but it doesn’t work that way sometime, Ms. Martin said it should, Mayor Horne said but it don’t saying they have been out a long time, and that they are in a country, McRee said it is what they want, Mayor Horne said she didn’t say anything when they voted but she had reservations, but she didn’t know it was that type as far as they can’t be on the right-of-way or side walk which she knew wasn’t right either, McRee said it was up to them, if they want to make some changes to it, then they can make changes. Thorpe said that the point to getting from one point to another, saying that some of the citizens shared that concern, asking how could they justify if they want to go from one persons yard to another and the only way they can get to it was to ride on the side of the road and then they happen to be riding then they get penalized for riding there, saying there wasn’t too many places they could ride, saying that was the concern he had, saying they were specific in the lingo in the ordinance but at the same time it was so specific that it was going to limit them riding period, saying his suggestion was to look at it again, at the verbiage of it, and see what they can come up with because it’s like you have too many people that have ATV’s to ride them on their private party, asking McRee didn’t he say something about riding on private property, McRee said that you can’t ride them on anyone else’s private property but you could ride it on your own private property unless they get permission.  Amerson said to look at the safety issue, what is the very first thing they are they going to do when a kid gets hurt out there, they are going to point their finger at the city, asking why did they let them do it, and that was his only concern, saying they have let them do it for years but it has gotten to the point where it is a safety concern because you’ve got a select few, it’s a good hand full that is bound and determined they are going to do what they want to do and somebody is going to get killed, saying it has got to the point that when they try to stop and talk to them they are running from them on the four wheelers and he was not going to chase a child on a four wheeler because someone will get hurt and if you put them on the shoulder of road, unless parents or other people instead of fussing at the city for putting an ordinance out, fuss at the handful of people that are ruining it for everybody, it wasn’t the city, but those ones that are ruining it, and if you let them ride on the side of the road your responsible people are going to do what they are suppose to in the road as well as on the shoulder of the road, but those select few if you say ok you can ride it on the shoulder then they are going to go up through there tearing up the sides of the city’s roads causing ruts or hit someone coming out of a drive way or something like that, but it’s those 10 people that are ruining if for everybody, Thorpe asked could those ten people be issued citations, Osborne said you can’t catch them, Amerson said he can’t let one ride the

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side and not another. Thorpe said that he was asking a hypothetical question because his thing is you have 90 people on the hwy that speed all the time, so anyone who speeds gets a ticket or suppose to. Amerson said it was like Albert Nesbitt, saying that he has a UTC, not ATV, and he has everything a car has technically he is street legal, but that was the first thing they heard, was why could he ride his and they couldn’t, because he is street legal he has insurance, signals everything, just like a car and he was one that approached Amerson, but he couldn’t allow one to ride acting right, and one he knows wouldn’t be, then it would be why did you let him and not me, they have parents wanting to know why they are picking on their son, Amerson responds we’re not picking on your son, your son has been stopped six times for doing the same thing, you need to handle him at home, but they don’t do it, they point their fingers at the city instead of the kids that are doing it and not the ones that are causing the problem, it’s the city’s fault, not theirs so then it has to be an ordinance and put in place and then everyone’s upset about it but if those people that ride like they’re suppose to, like responsible adults would go upside those youngin’s head that are acting up it would stop, but they won’t do it, Mayor Horne said that most of the times it isn’t youngin’s, Amerson said he was talking about the age group 18-25, Osborne said then they haul those little kids on the back of them going 90 to nothing, no helmet no nothing, and if a truck pulls out in front of them or something, Mayor Horne said you didn’t have to convince her, saying she gets all of that, saying that she knows when someone gets hurt the city is going to be the first one to get why come the city didn’t do something, but her thing is, if someone is on the road will they allow them to get to where they need to be without the city taking their stuff, and another thing she is saying is before the city implements stuff they need to think things through because they have had people at the table say one thing then they do something else but what needs to be done is think about things before implementing them, then you have to go back and try to rework it, but she still thought that if you stop people their stuff doesn’t need to be taken and they should at least be allowed to get where they need to go, saying they buy these things and don’t have trailers to pull them and that was her feelings, Martin said then they don’t need to buy them, Mayor Horne said but they do, that they’ve been riding them around here for years and nobody bothered them and they have children piled up on them and she wasn’t the only one that has seen it. Amerson said as long as they have the ordinance he was going to have to enforce it on everyone because if he sees one riding acting responsible and does nothing then the next day he catches one acting up then he’s was going to get asked why come you didn’t do something to so and so, he was going to have to treat everyone the same, he would enforce the ordinance

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and if you change the ordinance he’ll enforce that one, but the way it stands now he wasn’t going to allow them to ride on the road period. McRee said his question was, is there three people at the table that want to change and if so what changes do they want to make. Myrick said he wanted it changed so that they can ride it on the side of the road if possible and if you catch them in the road you cite them, if you can catch them. Thorpe said that his thing was if it’s in the highway it’s a problem, but on the side of the road, saying that he never thought the ATV ordinance would be restricting the limitations on what they could do on the side of the road, Martin said he read it, Osborne said he read it,  Thorpe said no, Osborne said yes he had, Martin said he had it a month or so, Thorpe said no, as far as restricting on the side of the road, Osborne said no ATV on the road or the side of the road, Thorpe advised Osborne that she would have her opportunity, but as far as he was concerned you couldn’t tell him what he thought happened, and as far as this ordinance was concerned that was what he was talking about riding on the side of the road was unclear to him, and as far as telling him how he is thinking is one thing and he has a problem with that, and if someone has a concern about it you can speak their peace at this point but his thought is going to stand and he’s not going to change it because of them thinking he had a decision to make because of that and that’s where he is with that. Mayor Horne asked Moore of his thoughts, Moore said he liked it the way it is, Scott said that she thought it was a little strict, Osborne said it should stand they way it is. McRee said that he is hearing two saying they like it the way it is, three says they would like to see some changes, what would they be. Scott said that it was strict, but didn’t know how to come up with anything different. McRee asked what do you want to let them do. Myrick said that they have been riding on the side of the road for years but if you see them speeding write a citation. McRee said what he is hearing is that they can ride them on the side of the road but not in the road, Myrick said that is what he is saying. Mayor Horne asked what the state statue was; Amerson said that it covers the roadway. Amerson said that he had a four wheeler himself and he doesn’t have a problem with people riding them, but if you allow them to ride them on the side of the road he was not going to have any legal grounds, they could come down there running 90 miles per hour and he wouldn’t have any legal ground. Scott said that everyone knew they weren’t going to stay on the side of the road, Amerson said no they are not. Mayor Horne said that she didn’t want people to think that she was trying to get this twisted, what she was talking about is if you stop someone that doesn’t have a trailer that they should be allowed to get where they are going, that she was wasn’t talking about just free -wheeling riding on the right-of-way, Scott said but that is what they are talking about, Mayor Horne said yes and

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people was going to do it regardless, that people are still riding them, but that was what she was talking about, confiscating people’s stuff and things like that. Amerson said that they wouldn’t take their stuff, they would just write a ticket, Mayor Horne said that is not what she was told, she was told that one the of the officers stopped someone and told them that, Amerson said maybe after a certain number of times they may could do something, but didn’t know about confiscating a four wheeler, McRee said that it had been so long since he had written it asking if anyone had a copy. Mayor Horne said that her thing was to make sure people who have been out riding are allowed to get up the road, saying officers say whatever you have to say to them to shake them up, but she was saying that people shouldn’t get tickets and their stuff confiscated when they already know they’ve been out joyriding and they are trying to get back to where they came from. Amerson said he gets what she’s saying but the thing is that is what they were doing before hand, like from Asbell Rd. to Northwind, just coming to get through not just out riding, McRee noted that there was nothing in the ordinance about losing their property, saying it read any person violating the terms of this section shall be subject to a issuance of a citation and if proven guilty before a court or competent jurisdiction shall be subject to a fine up to $1,000, saying you can’t confiscate the property. Mayor Horne said then officers shouldn’t be telling people that. McRee said he is hearing that they can ride them on the side of the road, anything else, saying he would make these changes and send it back to the clerk, Martin asked Amerson if that was agreeable with him, Amerson said not really, because you are going to have the same problem he has now, saying the problem he has is not only people riding in the road but people riding on the side of the road like a bat out of you know where and if you allow them to ride on the side of the road he’s not going to have any legal recourse, and it doesn’t matter if they are riding 70 miles per hour there is nothing he’s going to be able to do. Mayor Horne said before the ordinance they put in place, they were able to stop them, Amerson said yes the ones riding in the roadway, but the ones on the side of the road they weren’t bothering, it was the ones on the roadway, saying he doesn’t have a problem with them riding in the roadway as long as they are doing it in a responsible manner, and that’s the problem they are  not going to do it in a responsible manner, he didn’t care if you allowed them to ride on the side of the road or in the road way they aren’t going to do it, saying that you had a handful that aren’t going to be responsible no matter if you have an ordinance or state law or anything else and that’s the ones they have to deal with, and he didn’t have an answer. Scott asked Amerson what he thought they needed to do, do they need to just enforce what they have but like Mayor Horne said if the police stop telling them that they were going to

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take their vehicle from them or they will call, saying that she has seen someone call a tow truck and pick one up. Amerson said that if they are doing certain things they have the legal right to tow them but they aren’t going to confiscate it just because they are riding it, but there are certain things they are doing they can have it towed, DUI, whether they are on the right-of-way or roadway, he can have them towed, saying he doesn’t have the answer, that it wasn’t everybody, that it was a group that was making a big mess for everybody, and the ones complaining are the ones they are having problems with, saying that he has tried for months to find a solution, they have talked with them, warned them, saying that he talked with Bud Dupree about it, saying that these teenagers and young guys looked up to him asking him to talk to them because they are going to ruin it for everybody, saying he told him up there one day when he caught two of them doing what they shouldn’t have been doing and he was up there and asked him to talk to them that they would listen to him more than they would him, but it didn’t work. Mayor Horne said that this wasn’t about Bud Dupree, because her nephew had one and he called her, because his mama is the one that wanted him to call her and she knew that he would be leaving her mama’s house or hers going home and he had concerns, saying that he doesn’t ride his anymore, saying Bud can have his event wherever he wants to and she told him that the other day, but no one wants to get educated, that she was talking about the few that do ride right. Amerson said he didn’t have an answer saying he tried to resolve it without it getting this far.  McRee said he would take a look at it, and see what he could change and get it back to them.

 

Myrick nor McRee had reports.

 

Roberts said that she did have one thing, saying that Gloria Moore on 441 has been in bad health for a very long time and how she’s made it this long she didn’t know, but her and her husband have been in Augusta for the last couple of months back and forth, and they had a leak and last month his bill was over two hundred, and they offered him the once a year disaster relief, but this month the water bill came out to be $586, Scott asked why didn’t they cut the water off, Roberts said that he’s been staying in Augusta and his daughter has been staying here and he called her and she told him she had fixed the leak, saying it was the hot water heater. Roberts said that when they saw this they went ahead and called Billy Moore and told him, and the city actually went out there and cut the water off because it wasn’t fixed and it was running about 26,000 gallons a water every other day, saying that he had called her and

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asked if there was anything we could do, he was told that since they did the disaster relief last month that the clerk could not offer another one but would take it to council and see if council was willing to do anything. Scott said that the city should be more particular about the water and that she knew there was a leak and should have to pay it. Mayor Horne asked if they could flip the cost, saying that Gloria was very sick. Roberts asked what she meant by flip, to offer them another discount, Mayor Horne said yes, saying that you never know when you may face hard times. Osborne asked if she meant flipping by switching the 200 for the 500, Mayor Horne said yes, and giving them time to pay. Moore said that he talked with him, and was told that he would not be able to pay all of it at one time. Motion to flip the bill for Gloria Moore and giving time to pay the balance in payments was made by Osborne, seconded by Scott, no opposition, motion carried.

 

Osborne asked if Roger Bacon has said anything about putting those on Macon Road on McIntyre Water. Mayor Horne asked McRee if he had heard from his people, McRee said that Bacon was at the last meeting, Mayor Horne said that he was going to get back with her, but she hasn’t heard from him. McRee said that they haven’t had a meeting since then. Mayor Horne asked if they could send him a letter, or she would call him, Martin said they had a meeting Tuesday night, Mayor Horne said that she would try to go over there.

 

Mayor Horne noted that everyone had a copy of the notice from Mayor Davidson from Allentown, saying that they had gotten a grant to house three firemen throughout the county, saying that she talked with Tommy Brown and he talked about one in Allentown and one in Irwinton and didn’t know where the other one was going, saying she called the county commissioners office and found out that once they did everything one would be in Irwinton and she didn’t think it was right for McIntyre, noting McIntyre was already on a tight budget, saying that they got the grant but they wanted the cities to help out with the $58,305, saying that they had it split up with all of the six cities but McIntyre nor Toomsboro would have a firefighter. Osborne said that Toomsboro was getting one, Roberts said that was what she was about to say, that Allentown said they were not getting one, Osborne said that Davidson was at the last meeting and had put Allentown on the very bottom of the list because all this other stuff, and from her understanding Irwinton wants the full time firefighter, but Irwinton wants Toomsboro and McIntyre to pay in on this firefighter, saying that from the way that grant is written that firefighter works from 8 to 5, 5 days a week in Irwinton and it don’t mean he can work in

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McIntyre and Toomsboro. Osborne said Toomsboro, Irwinton, and Gordon would get the firemen. Mayor Horne said that she was told that Toomsboro was fussing because they weren’t getting one; Moore said that is what he heard also. Osborne said that Chris Thomas has called and said he wanted one. Mayor Horne said that she didn’t see the need that when they have a fire everyone and their mama comes, Moore said and it’s only for three years, Mayor Horne said then who puts up the salary for that person after that, Osborne said that they either lose their job or the cities pick it up. Mayor Horne said that she brought it to council because she wanted a decision made jointly on what they wanted because Vicki Horne wasn’t doing it all by herself but she thought they already had a good group of firefighters, and they have been equipped with new equipment, radios and everything and didn’t see the city putting out any more money for this but wanted them to take a vote. Scott made motion that the city not participate, seconded by Osborne, no opposition, motion carried.

 

Martin asked if the city was charging anybody for more than one trashcan, Roberts said yes. Martin asked if Amerson got a policeman, Mayor Horne said not yet, but he had part-time, Amerson said no, that they have been doing it all themselves, Mayor Horne said great job, Amerson said not when you see the overtime, and that he was doing everything he could. Mayor Horne asked if they could at least make it until the end of the year or would it eat up his budget. Amerson said that he was doing his best. Amerson said like he said in the beginning of the year he will keep his overtime down as much as he can but there are times that are just unavoidable, that he was doing the best he could. Mayor Horne said that there may be some hours that aren’t covered, Amerson said no, there was not going to be an hour in the day the city was not covered, he’s been here to long and worked too hard to see it come to crap. Mayor Horne said that she appreciates it.

 

Motion to adjourn was made by Scott, seconded by Thorpe, no opposition, motion carried.

 

 

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